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Ecclesiastes, Chapter 1 verse 9. This is a book in the Old Testament of the Bible.
A book alleged to have been written by King Solomon, the wisest man according to the Scriptures. Whoever lived Bible said of him that there would not be one wiser than him at the time or one to come who would be wiser than King Solomon.
And in chapter 1 verse 9 of Ecclesiastes, Solomon says, the writer says what has been will be again.
What has been done will be done again.
There is nothing new under the sun.
One more time writer said what has been will be again.
And what has been done will be done again.
There is nothing new under the sun.
Yesterday, listening to reportings from the House of Assembly, I have to concede that I was astonished.
I was astonished by comments made by the Honorable Minister of Foreign affairs, the Honorable Fred Mitchell.
And supported by words and actions of the speaker of the House of Assembly.
On election day carrying eight of the citizens of the Bahamas.
On that day, eight of the citizens of the Bahamas were rescued.
Following upon that crash and rescue, the United States authorities found that one of the passengers, Jonathan Eric Gardner, was a person who they were looking for, who they sought to arrest for alleged International narcotics dealing.
This Jonathan Eric Gardner had been previously convicted and served time in the United States of America for such and for money laundering.
He then returned to the Bahamas.
In returning to the Bahamas some years later, he would come to one have a company, Top Notch, which would at some point engage the now Minister of Finance of the Bahamas, then a private citizen, as it's a director on its board with Mr. Gardner who at a time served as president of Top Notch and then at another time as president of Top Notch, at a time when that company would have been involved with a contract, we are told through the courts, a court case occurring, that Mr. Gardner signed a contract with Water and Sewage Corporation.
Mr. Gardner would subsequent to that end up with a $42 million public private partnership to build a clinic in Eight Mile Rock, not in Freeport, Grand Bahama, not East Grand Bahama, in Eight Mile Rock.
And that subsequent to that he would come to.
And that contract was signed one day before the general elections of 2017 when Mr. Halkidas was minister of State for Finance.
He would subsequently end up with a major housing development through in partnership the government of the Bahamas in Nassau Village, Having been rescued and then now arrested in the United States of America, was indicted in the United States of America for international narcotic cottage dealing. In that indictment, it is alleged that he and others met with a politician in a high ranking politician in the Bahamas.
You will recall that in a previous indictment a police officer who was indicted indicated that he could gain the support and facilitation of a high ranking politician in the Bahamas to assist in the alleged narcotics dealings.
You will recall that a defense force officer has already pleaded guilty in that case.
Okay.
This indictment, having stunned, shot, having alarmed, having especially given the contents of it, the citizenry of the Bahamas talked about in the press the indictment. Now the indictment is referenced in the Nassau Guardian in the Tribune papers that would take great caution not to present in their content things that are frivolous, things for which they could be found liable for defaming others, things which they know to be suspect have been dutifully and fully recorded, vetted and published in the newspapers.
The matter was so serious that the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas office released a statement indicating how very seriously they were taking the matters and what they would do to try to get behind the allegations and claims in the indictment.
All of that.
All of that.
Only now to have the Foreign Affairs Minister of the Bahamas say this is, this is what he said. Now on the opposition seeking to table the document, the indictment that they weren't going to allow any tabling of any frivolous document providing rumors from foreign sources.
Did you all hear me?
Did, did you all hear me?
The, the. The. That the House of Assembly, the People's Parliament, was not going to permit any tabling of any frivolous document, any purported rumors by foreign sources. Not in the House of Assembly.
This, this indictment which the opposition was seeking to the table, this is now public record.
This is now referenced in every single newspaper. All these newspapers in the Bahamas, Guardian, Tribune, just. Just reporting on this frivolous nonsense of a document.
How irresponsible of you, Nassau Guardian. How irresponsible of you, Tribune, to be. To be. To be reporting on this frivolous document, rumorizing about our Parliament and people in our Parliament.
How dare you do such a thing. But of course, the government never accused the Guardian or the Tribune of referencing reporting on frivolous documents. In fact, the government said this is a very serious thing.
Not serious, very serious thing. And we're taking it very seriously, said the Government of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas.
Now the Minister says no.
The speaker said frivolous. My God, My God, my God, my God, my God.
This is a, this is a, this is an indictment by the United States of America. Now, an indictment does not amount to.
To truth or to conviction, you know, but it is a serious matter. You let, you let the United States of America indict one of those Free National Movement members of Parliament or any Free National Movement member, period, or any PLP member, Parliament or any PLP member, period. You let them do so and you let the document of that indictment come to the public sphere and you see, you watch and see what would happen. You let an indictment happen to Lincoln being or any COI member and watch and see how it would be treated. It would not be regarded as frivolous. And I could prove it. I could prove it would not be treated as frivolous.
Now, I could prove it because when Peter K. Turnquest, once Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance of the Bahamas, had a lawsuit filed against him, he was not indicted.
He was not, he was not arrested by the Bahamian police force and put before the courts for prosecution, he had a civil suit.
And that civil suit was tabled in the Parliament of the Bahamas, either then leader the Opposition and now Prime Minister Obama, Philip Ray Davis.
Well, but that wasn't frivolous. That was the city. Because, you know, I could sue. You could sue anybody. You, you know that, right? You go put anybody in court and you could allege any number of things in a civil lawsuit.
Talk about frivolous. That that's where the definition of frivolous comes from because many of it frivolous lawsuits and they call them so misuse of the court and the judicial system.
But that, that was, that was substantial enough both to table and to call for the resignation of Peter T K Peter K. Turnquest.
And he did resign.
They resigned.
Now, Mr.
Mitchell, the honorable Minister calls it frivolous. The speaker calls it gossip. And an indictment by a federal court in the United States of America is now tantamount to gossip.
Gossip.
When you indict somebody in the Bahamas, I wonder where that is. Now is that gossip also?
It's an indictment.
It is an event brought upon by the presentation of a sufficiency of evidence before a court to satisfy the proceeding of a prosecution.
That don't mean you can come out guilty. That doesn't mean that you've got to go through the trial.
But gossip.
Me running around saying boy, you know I hear politician wanted.
Boy, you know I hear so, so, so is be doing X, Y and Z and so forth. That's gossip.
But an indictment in the Bahamas from the courts of the Bahamas, an indictment in the United States, in Canada, in the uk as frivolous as gossip, as rumors. Oh my word, what have we now come to and what have we done?
Seriously, the United States of America gets to hear the Bahamas say oh don't worry about that.
That just. That's a frivolous, gossiping romerizing document.
Forget what the contents of the documents say. Forget what the document says in the way of evidence, in the way of, of recordings, in the way of witnesses and all that kind of stuff. Don't worry about all that.
That's not any gossip.
Boy, if you could get arrested in the Bahamas, United States, UK or Canada on the basis of gossip, God help us all.
We are doomed.
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[00:19:15] Speaker A: Welcome back. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to Z Live. I'm Shabab Olang, your host. We're so glad that you could join us here today on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM.
On this beautiful Wednesday afternoon, one of my eagle eyed, eagle eyed listeners reminded me that the public park, the private partnership in 8 Mario was called a office complex. Government office complex. Yeah. Not just a clinic, not a clinic, a office. Government office complex. Thank you for that. I've seen the office complex, a huge structure, but I remember that.
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[00:19:54] Speaker A: A frivolous, gossiping, rumorizing foreign document is what is the description now being applied to a indictment by the United States courts? The guest government of Mr. Eric Gardner and this is the document of which the government of the Bahamas, through the office of the Prime Minister, said was a matter they were taking very seriously. If the government of the Bahamas takes gossiping, rumorizing, frivolous matters very seriously, my goodness, boy, let me tell you something.
The rest of things happening in the Bahamas should have such urgency attached to them that you would see the government all over the place doing all kinds of things to get those matters dealt with.
But I said that Ecclesiastes said
[00:21:10] Speaker G: that
[00:21:13] Speaker A: what has been will be again.
What has been done will be done again.
There is nothing new under the sun.
You will recall that during the 1980s, allegations of drug trafficking in the Bahamas involving government officials named government officials were circulating widely led BY NBC and NBC's then reporter Brian Ross.
So seriously had the matters been taken, so vexed were the Bahamian public about the allegations, so concerned were Bahamians about the allegations, so concerned were some members of the Progressive Liberal Party about the allegations, including one Hubert Alexander Ingram, one.
Perry Gladstone Christie and others that it would eventually change the course of human history. The human history.
And that on the basis of that broad based international concerns about the Bahamas being a paradise lost, having been accused of having government officials facilitate drug trafficking, name the government officials that the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas, the Honorable Selendon Oscar Binding, right Honorable decided to call a commission of inquiry to look into these allegations.
Whatever one thinks of him, he was prepared to do that.
And Celinden those got a report from that commission. And that report, while it did not condemn Celindin of any drug trafficking dealings or corruption, even if it raised queries and questions about its financials, it did condemn some PLP government ministers as having been wittingly or unwittingly involved with such.
And the report was produced but but never tabled.
So I want to read something from you somebody.
I was able to get hold of an article reminding me that a lady called yesterday a show and said, you know, I think it was this morning. She said, you know, you all are naive if you all expect the Progressive Labour Party to permit that document to be tabled to permit the minister to resign. You all, you all like that. You all have to be out your mind. That is on their culture. That's what she said.
And in having a conversation about somebody, I heard the same thing before that by somebody who I would say would know.
And then I came across this article, an article says Ingram on how PM thwarted report discussion.
See the idea was to be able to forget tabling the commissioner inquiry report. Now this was something where an effort was being made to discuss internally the commission of inquiry report.
And so I want to read it for you.
So Mr. Ingram.
Had a meeting with his members, his constituents on September 11th to talk about how Prime Minister then frustrated an effort by 12 backbenchers to hold a meeting of the political committee of the Progressive Liberal Party to discuss the commission of import. This was not House of Zembly, this was the PLP.
And that Mr. Ingram met with his constituents to talk about the disciplinary actions that the PLP National General Council took against him.
And he wanted to explain to his members how he came eventually to make comments in the House of Assembly regarding the Commission of Inquiries report and some other things.
And so forth.
So he held this meeting and talked about how on September 5, the National General Council of the PLP convicted him of acting in a manner. Listen to this, folks. Detrimental to the best interest of the party, end quote.
And how given addresses in Parliament in which he condemned party members who the Commission of Inquiry found were involved with drug traffickers and for speaking out on the neglect of the family islands.
Okay, so Mr. Ingram then had a meeting with his constituents. 305 people attended this constituency meeting that he held.
And this is what the article says Mr. Ingram said to the telephone.
Mr. Ingram said he telephoned PLP chairman Sean McQueenie a number of times to remind him of an agreement made during that September's Chub Key conclave that the political committee would meet to discuss the Commission of Inquiry report.
In quote, he says, the week before, we are going to the House of Assembly to debate the Commission of Inquiry report for which the government paid 1.5 million of your money.
I get the House of Assam to the House.
I got the House of Assembly's agenda and on it.
I see. Actually, the report was stable. Sorry, my bad was stable. Right, listen this. So I get to the House of Assembly agenda. I get the agenda and on it I see that Kendall Nottage is moving the motion on behalf of the government, Mr. Ingram said Mr. Nottage was a judge. This is the article. Mr. Nottage was adjudged by the Commission to have fronted for a New England Mafia figure slash drug trafficker, whether he realized it or not. That was from the thing he says. I want to know who gave Mr. Nottage permission to do this.
You see, we are supposed to sit down and determine who is going to do this.
Well, somebody in the party selected Norwich to speak for the party, he said.
Well, I never agreed with that and we never had a meeting to discuss that.
Mr. Ingram told Cooperstown residents he did not say anything about the commission during the debate which opened February 6th because he wanted the opportunity to discuss the matter in the party.
Nothing still happened, he said, he said. The following month, Milo Butler, Jr. Pinedale representative, decided he would write a letter to the party leader, the prime minister, questioning why a meeting of the political committee still had not been called. The letter was signed by 12 backbenchers, which represents 1/3 of the PLP MPS, or half of the PLT backbench, or 80% of the MPs who were present in the House of the House of assembly that day, Mr. Ingram said. Even Edison Key signed a letter, Mr. Ingram said the letter was sent to the prime minister on March 28, Mr. Ingram said that Lyndon replied to the letter on April 1, April Fool's Day. He told his laughing constituents he said that he should give him a list of things. This is what the prime minister told Mr. Butler. That he should give him a list of things we want to talk about.
Mr. Ingram said that Sir Lyndon wrote to Mr. Butler accusing him, Mr. Butler, Milo Butler of questioning his leadership and that the matter should go to the council, not the political committee.
Told his constituents they wanted to talk about the commission inquiry report in its entirety and not just Jack, excluding Harry. We never got the opportunity to talk about the commission of inquiry report. And so when we went to the House of Assembly on 2 May 1985, I decided to talk about it in the House of Assembly. He said now I didn't say anything in that speech that anybody said is untrue. Nobody at the council meeting last week, no one single person who spoke said I lied in that speech. Not one single member of Parliament who spoke said I lied in that speech that I gave in the House of Assembly. Singham said that the two ministers who spoke on the Prime Minister's motion, Clement Maynard and Dara Rule never accused him of lying either. And there's much more in the article.
So they couldn't get opportunity to discuss the matter at the PLP's political committee internally and didn't get discussed the matter before the matter went to the commission of Inquiry to the House of Assembly the report.
And Mr. Ingram on speaking about the report ended up being reprimanded by his party and eventually denied a nomination.
Being kicked out of the party and eventually would come to defeat his own party. As head of the prime of the Free National Movement to become Prime Minister of the Bahamas.
What has been done will be done. Again.
There's nothing new under the sun.
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[00:35:35] Speaker A: Welcome back. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Z Live. I'm Chevalgo Lang, your host. So glad you could join us here today on Gabriel 96.9 FM.
A I think a keen listener, survival wise. I know what indictment means. Perhaps you can explain what the word means for your audience. I think that's useful. So let me. Let me explain how a criminal indictment happens in the United States of America.
Depending on the law under which the indictment is being sought, a prosecutor in the United States might seek to pursue criminal charges against somebody.
And what they would do is they would present these charges to a grand jury.
Okay. They presented the grand jury and that grand jury would sit and listen to the prosecutor's evidence.
Right. And these are. This could be like, like tens of people, 10, 20, 27 people listening to the evidence that the prosecutor presents and listening to witnesses that the prosecutor might present.
And on the basis of the evidence that is presented, the grand jury would approve that.
Yeah, we think this is acceptable for advancing charges against somebody.
And that's how you get there. This ain't no prosecutors didn't I mean, you know, I don't like them in the Bahamas. I don't like them people in the Bahamas. You know, I hear they just do this and that and the next thing, indict them. That's not how it works.
These people have to convene a grand jury.
And these people who may or may not know squat about the Bahamas, but after listening to the evidence about the charges being brought against somebody, witnesses who might have testimonies about what is happening, and they then would say, no, no, you don't have enough for an indictment. We do not agree or yes, we do agree that the prosecution should proceed.
That's gossip, that's frivolous, that's rumors. That's how it works. And you could still, on the basis of an indictment, go to court and win your case. You know, you could still win your case, but I don't think it's fair to say it's frivolous.
That's. And this is, Listen, this isn't coming from average citizens of the body, these kinds of terminologies. These things are coming from a minister and a lawyer.
Fred Mitchell is a senior minister, a lawyer in the Bahamas, front of cabinet minister, the Minister of Foreign Affairs. He knows, speak of the House.
Well, she's the speaker of the House, you know, she should know better.
I'm sorry, she should know better.
And, and see, see. Listen, man, I always tell political people in this country. I tell them F, M, plps, etc, I give them all the same advice.
I said, lead with your professionalism.
See you get caught up in your Rabbit Patterson participation. One day your life in politics will end or be suspended.
And then you have to live by the perception people have of you from your performance in your position as a politician.
What will they see?
Will they see a professional who was also political or will they see a professional who was only political?
And it will determine, may determine, how you are treated, how you are dealt with, how you are handled for the rest of your life in this country.
Be foolish. Be foolish and think, oh, man, this is my party. I can do anything for my party. Not Chicago line. I ain't doing anything for my party, I'll tell you that.
I was called upon one time as an economist to refute.
I was called upon by members of my party, Free National Movement, to refute published labor statistics of the Bahamas because they did not believe them and I told them I would not do such a thing. I would have no basis on which to do such a thing.
As someone who studied in economics, the only objective, reliable labor statistics I could have in the Bahamas comes from the Department of Statistics.
If I am now questioning their credibility when we become to office again, how will I be able to accept the credibility of their information? I would not do it. Why? Because I was leading with my professionalism, not my politics. Stupidness. Nonsense.
Garbage.
When you leave with your politics, you know what happens? You make silly statements about frivolous, gossiping things. You make comments about people who care fit let their head get slap off. That's when you are leading with your politics and not your professionalism. That is what happens when you're leading with your politics and not your professionalism. You forget that you call for somebody to resign one day and then now the next day, under certain circumstances similar or worse. Now you can't do the same thing. That's when you're leading with your politics and not your professionalism. And it's nonsense.
It's nonsense. We are all of us frail. We are all of us subject to fault. We are all of us in. All of us fallible. So I don't give any man any space to be perfect. I know no man is perfect. I know chavagal language. Not. Not even close.
But what I'm not going to do, as they like to say in the South. What you're not going to do is. Is have me indict my own credibility.
Because I want to say one thing right now because it suits my body and another thing the next time because it. It don't. I'm not doing that. That's nonsense. That's uncharactered.
It's not right.
You know, the late Obi Wilchka paid me the greatest compliment.
He said to me one day, we were talking. He said, I have pretty much every speech you've ever given.
And if there's one thing I have noticed about you is that you do not contradict yourself.
He said you would rather say I don't know than say something that might contradict yourself.
And I can't tell you. And I have never contradicted myself. I can't say that.
I can't recall any such thing. But I will tell you, I am always careful to try to be consistent.
Consistent even when it may be injurious to me or to my party about stuff.
But in. In public life, in private too. Because if a private. If I just want to answer you, I won't answer. I won't lie to you. I. But I just. I would know. I will not answer you. Let's get put under pressure sometimes to tell Lies. Because the truth is more convenient. Because the lie is more convenient than the truth. All of us. And I have lied before in my lifetime.
I better repent for lying.
I said I please wear the gray ones. Oh, you know I don't do the big sensible enough ones. Yes, you heard me say it. Of course. I'm a man. And out of fear or inconvenience, you tell things that were not true.
So we are all under pressure. But I can tell you one thing Ms. Ingram taught me in public life. Never lie to the public, bro. Never lie to the public.
Not in public life. Because once you lie to public in public life, you. You cease to have the right to lead and to hold the public trust. That's the truth.
You shouldn't lie in private either. We shouldn't. We do.
We do. But stakes get higher. They get damn higher when you're in public life.
Because now it's not just you and maybe your friend or your family member, neighbor, somebody. But now you have the whole nation situation in your hands.
Your life could cost them daily.
You should be straight with the public.
So leave it to professionalism. Let's stop talking stupidness, man. Let's elevate. Let's stop doing nonsense. Let's elevate and go and get mad with me. Go, cuss me, do whatever you wish.
Don't make me know, never mind, make me know, nevermind. I'm telling you the God honest truth. I'm 58 years old. I determined I'm not going to partial because I like, don't like, dislike this anybody and I don't dislike anybody. So if you take it personally, too bad, too sad for you.
I really don't care.
I'd like to be liked by people, but I don't need to be liked by anybody. If I had to choose between being popular and trying to do what is right, I'm going to choose to be. To do what is right and not be popular.
I don't always get it right, but I'm on the show. I try to get it right.
That's the reality.
And we can't be talking nonsense, talking stupidness about serious matters that have significant import for the common bombs. I will not let.
Not on this show. I will not let this matter be diminished or undermined it or gaslighted or anything. I will not let that happen. I won't.
Now I would. I'm wait for the court case to play out itself and then. And if all is innocent, bless the Lord. Thank you Jesus.
No problem with that at all.
But I'm not playing that game. You're listening to Z Live. I'm Shavag Relying, your host. We'll be back after this break.
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[00:47:23] Speaker A: Welcome back. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to Z Live. I'm Chagu Lang, your host. So glad that you could join us here today on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon. This text says good afternoon. I thought I was the only person who heard what the speaker said yesterday. She obviously has her head buried very deep in the sand or is completely out of out to lunch. Honesty, integrity and moral thinking have to prevail in the handling of these matters. How about just you also being practical, right? You're still right there. I'm tell you one day, United States of America and others, I will watch it.
First of all, first of all, let me, let me back that up.
Citizens are watching now. Now Bahamian citizens are watching. But let me tell you all something, right? Can I tell you guys something? Listen to me.
Politicians take election not as an endorsement by their particular supporters to govern, but by you notice when a politician has won office, whether it was Minnesota or is Prime Minister Davis or Christie or Ingram when they come to office. You know what they say? The people of the Bahamas have elected me. Us Notwithstanding, more people voted against for instance the Davis administration or did not vote at all together.
Notwithstanding a minority of the population, not a majority of the voting population of the Bahamas voted for the Progressive Party. They have the right to and they say we have been elected by the people. Let me repeat, they have a right to and they say we so. So you have given them the authority to act.
Some people take that with a certain degree of maturity and understand, listen, just because we want doesn't mean you could do anything you want and say anything you want and act any way you want, etc. But some people, some people take that as license, bro.
We in charge now. In charge.
Be large and in charge. I ain't no newbie no more. I come to Ryan and put my foot down because if they didn't like me, they wouldn't have put me back here.
That's the reality.
And so famous citizens are watching. But I want baming citizens to know you're watching ain't necessarily mean a whole lot unless people believe that you're watching will result in consequences for their actions later on, good, bad or ugly. But if they believe, well, we did this before, we acted this way from the people themselves voted us. Plenty of them stayed home and even didn't care then nothing changes about the way they perceive what they do and how you will do what you will do about it. That's the first thing. Secondly, the United States of America, our strongest and most powerful ally. I'm watching.
So is the United Kingdom and all these other people.
They ain't gonna do nothing. They ain't gonna do nothing like that right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know when that happens, they just like, they just like, they just like spouses, sometimes. I was gonna say women, but no, I know spouses, sometimes spouses, men and women, they will, they will let them out of sit and watch it. And then when it is convenient, they say, hey, you remember when I need you to do this for me?
No, no, no, no. Let me show you something.
Next thing you know, dog, eat your lunch and call her and unchained on your neck to act or suffer the consequences.
I stay right there and think that all the only, only, only civility and, and this and that and the next thing exists in, in, in the international sphere. We already seen how things happen in the world in recent times and get mad at me and tell me, oh, you only fear mongering.
I'm recording history. I'm recalling history. We have a call on the line. Go ahead caller. We're listening to you today.
Yes, ma', am. How are you?
[00:51:44] Speaker G: I'm good. And yourself?
[00:51:46] Speaker A: Right here. Thank you.
[00:51:46] Speaker G: Good, good. I listened to what you said just now in terms of politicians, whether it be PLP or fnm, indicating that once they win, they have the notion and they proclaim that the citizens have placed them there.
I think that is what they say to the country. But I think when they wake up in the morning and they look in the mirror at themselves and they sit at their tables and they do understand and they do look at the paperwork and what really would have happened, they pull back and they know for sure what this real story is. I'm looking at this PLT government and I don't think that they're operating the same way that they operated previously. I'M hearing like with Mr. Miles LaRode. He has given in the House of Assembly here. The gentleman at the prison has made some statements. There were some corrections coming back from them. They're doing certain things. I think they're going to try to do certain things because based on the kind of monies that they probably spent, they don't want to spend those same kind of money. So they have to do different. They have to try better. If they don't have to go through all the hard work and the pressure from the people wondering whether they are going to put them back there again, wondering what is going to happen again. But that is the whole stance of every party.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: But ma'. Am.
But ma'.
[00:53:09] Speaker D: Am.
[00:53:09] Speaker G: But ma', am, for me, I would like to see the effort that the FM do a little bit more. I'd like to see them in the community in touch with. Because I've not heard like election is over and now, you know, ask me what I think about the budget debate. Find out how I think of what I think about the way forward, what I think about the election. Nobody said anything coi FM nor pld.
And so what's gonna happen in five years? You don't have to talk to me now, but in five days when you want to talk to me, then what is gonna be my position? Because you won't know because you have been out of touch with me. That's my two cents.
[00:53:47] Speaker A: Okay, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Now, I have to say, I hear you. I understand what you're saying, but I'm sorry.
So Miles Larota is a. Is that. Is that kind of person. Right? So he has been that Miles Loroder was head of the Public Disclosure Committee under F M and PLP administration. You don't achieve that and accomplish that, except the people believe you. Like, like you little different. Right?
So. So. And, and I'm sorry. The female issue with. Involving the head of the prison, that was an easy matter to politically go against. Peasy. You insult women in the Bahamas by virtue of the way you talk about discriminating against them.
That's such an easy political call, man. Plea. Them ministers would have made that call.
Tell them make. Tell them make a call to.
To legalize marital rape.
You talk. You talk about difference. Tell them go, go, go make a. Make a call to do that. Tell them, tell one. Tell them to get up and say, we are going to introduce into law marital rape. You'll never see it.
You'll never see it. How is that different?
No, that, that Insulting women, man, that's an easy call. That's an easy call, right, but think about it. You're saying they're acting differently. You are saying that.
But on a matter as significant as we have in this indictment, when did you see the same kind of forceful action taken in respect to that matter as compared to the prison head? The prison head.
No, ma', am, I do not agree with you on that. I cannot.
And yes, the fnm, the PLP and the coi, all of them going to need at some point get back in the, in the, in the thing. But, but ma', am, you know, let's be practical and reasonable, right? You, I mean, people, those people put themselves out there, they went and campaigned, they didn't spent money and all that kind of stuff. Some win, some loss.
Now you have asked them to go do their job. The job is in the House assembly and stuff like that. And it's only been. We had election, we had election just the other month.
You reasonable to be telling them people now, you must come back up in there. And that's not reasonable. I don't think, I don't think that's reasonable. I don't think so at all. I think in time they should come back. They need to come back. They need to be talking to you about why people voted the way they voted or didn't vote at all. That's for sure. And I'm seeing, and I think that will happen. But, but that, that. Let me see you in the, in the community, in the neighborhood again, except for. And so forth. Yes, every member of Parliament should have constituency meetings. They should have constituency office office hours and all that kind of stuff which, which, which, which the government funds.
But let's be reasonable though.
But I'm sorry, I do, I'm not convinced that simply because what Mr. Laroda did this shows are different, that they're not going to spend the same level of money. First of all, the government has allocated $54 million for travel. I think it is this year, if not more.
When the government spent $74 million before, they didn't allocate $74 million for travel. They spent that above and beyond what was allocated in the Parliament of the Bahamas. So you ain't know what they can spend until it's spent.
I'm sorry, I'm not convinced. We have a call on the line. Go ahead, call. We're listening to you.
All right, we have another call on the line.
No, okay. This text says, tell this caller the budget is still being debated.
Yes, the budget is still being debated. That's right. I mean that's the job. Your job is in House Assembly. You could imagine me running up and down before you hire me to do your job. And then when you hire me I'm still running up and down instead of being on the job.
That kind of makes sense. And I don't think this text says sir, are you suggesting that once again the Number recruit a PLP to lead them to defeat the PLP9 not at all suggesting that but I know political parties are practical. They'll do what they have to do. But I, but, but I, I, I couldn't imagine the F M finding somebody in the PLB to, to lead them. Not, not Hubert Alexander Ingram ain't no mayor figure. He, he, he is a rare political personality. So is the Linden. Okay. Be sure of that. Go ahead caller, we're listening to you.
[00:58:21] Speaker H: Good day, Mr. Lang.
[00:58:22] Speaker A: I wish hey, how you doing?
[00:58:24] Speaker H: As a, as a young bohemian. Young, young beam a middle ground professional.
When you travel and you talk to other parents who's abroad, the persons who here who might have options to leave. I would tell you that it's kind of concerning when you see the moral sometimes the moral decay that you seem to be occurring at the higher levels and persons are watching and astonished and fearful of the future in terms of the political divide and you see the rhetoric, you mention history, you see how history sometimes that leads to all kind of revolutions on the scope of it. You see things happening. So I, I would say that it's definitely concerning as young person seeing kind of the direction and the tone from the top. Right.
[00:59:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:13] Speaker H: It's very, very much constrainted the brain drain and persons who can leave decide to leave and flee. So I think that's something they should definitely keep in mind.
[00:59:22] Speaker A: I'm glad you, I'm glad you called.
Let me ask you a question.
When you observe how we participate political level. Let's talk today.
Do you get the sense that excellence is our aim?
[00:59:35] Speaker H: Oh no way like simple as having debates and conversations. Persons feel that that's beneath them to even kind of have an educated discussion in terms of discussing plans. It's just more about not everyone wants to dance for a free T shirt for free few dollars. Right. Some of us actually understand like big picture what's going on in terms of how all the spending is going to trickle down to the kids and your kids kids and affect the standard of living. So definitely not you're not inspired especially when you look around again being exposed how different countries operate Even regionally. Right. The country we kind of come out, notice that they are themselves going through their stuff, pretty much a revolution, and they're growing. So I think a lot of persons are kind of, especially the older generation, sleep at the wheel. They're not realizing that that gap that may exist, the previous generation between us and other countries in the region is very much. It's thinner than they think.
[01:00:29] Speaker A: I appreciate you calling, man. Thanks. So well said. Thank you very much.
All right, we have another call on the line. Go ahead, caller. We're listening to you.
[01:00:38] Speaker D: Good afternoon.
[01:00:40] Speaker A: Hey, what's up?
[01:00:41] Speaker D: Right here.
Give me one minute. Let me turn this right here.
Mr. Lai, I believe that this government, the PLP government, this administration, is governing for those as according to the Prime Minister, who said that the Bahamian people gave him an overwhelming mandate to govern this country as they see fit.
You know, there were a hundred and something unanswered questions that the administration, the PLP government did not answer that was put to their position.
There was the Grand Lucayan fiasco where we still don't know whether we got the monies with the Grand Bahama, the airport and the other questions.
But the Bahamian people, according to the Prime Minister, said they didn't mind what the government did. They were choosing progress.
So did the Prime Minister himself.
And I'm sure he made this, in my opinion, very clear when he appointed the number of persons to his cabinet. And those who had some controversies that didn't bother him in his mind, like he said, the Bahamian people, they overlooked all of our faults.
Those who had the opportunity to vote, the majority of them who voted decided that they wanted progress. Those who didn't vote, they gave assent to whatever this administration is doing by not participating in the electoral process.
So in my mind, they are governing on the mandate that they were given by those who had the chance, the ability, the opportunity to choose the direction in which they want to see this country go. And like, like they always say, the opposition. Enough.
We may have our say, but the government will have its way.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.
[01:02:49] Speaker D: Legal process or how you pointed out during the Senate thing where this individual could not hold that position as long as he was parliamentary? Something like that. Then we can only vent. We can only vent.
[01:03:09] Speaker A: Let me ask you a question.
[01:03:13] Speaker D: In my opinion, I'm going to let the blue cast, and I know this Attorney General, he ain't come up and say nothing about whatever the government doing wrong or whatever it is. You know, he's.
[01:03:28] Speaker A: He's a creature that's not his. That's not his job. That's not his job. That's not his job. His job is he is the government's lawyer.
[01:03:34] Speaker D: Right?
[01:03:35] Speaker A: He's the government's lawyer.
Your lawyer ain't coming to tell nobody you did something wrong, right?
[01:03:40] Speaker D: So he would. Whatever. Unless. Unless you are prepared to take the government to court and to have it contested in a court of law, then, Mr. Lane, to me.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: Thank you, man. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate your calling. Thank you. I have a question for you all. Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
If the government members thought that next election 60, 70, 80% of the people who did not vote will come out to vote, how do you think they will act?
Answer me that question. We have another call on the line. Go ahead, call. We're listening to you.
Go ahead, call. If you're listening, we have. We have a call on the line.
All right. We do not, apparently.
Okay, so this text says. Mr. Lang, you are absolutely correct regarding the attitude of progress government. The minority of the people gave them the power to continue bamboozling us. The government will do what they want unless the people stand up against wrongdoing and demand in numbers for better. Well, I could tell you one thing.
If tens and tens of thousands of people took to the street, that might be a wake up call, that's for sure. But it ain't gonna happen. It ain't gonna happen. Tens and tens of thousands of aliens ain't no street. And they can't just be F M's, they can't be just F M. So that's not gonna happen. I don't think that's gonna happen. I really don't think that's gonna happen. But if you. I'm asking you if the government thought that 60, 70, 80% of the people who didn't come out to vote last time joins the people who came out to vote next time, what you think will happen? How you think the government will see that? How you think the government will?
If the government thought the FM or the COI could mobilize 60, 70, 80% of the people who didn't come on the boat last time encourage them to come on the boat. What do you think will happen in governance? And the bombs over the next five years? Answer that question for me and you might get an idea what the prize is. Is it? Furthermore, what will the opposition do in visiting constituents at this juncture? One month after election, the people have spoken. 33 verses 8. No matter how you Cut it. We can bet. Oh, we could barely hear that call. I could hear him clearly. I don't know what was wrong with you all, but I could hear him clearly. This text is. Mr. Lang. It's so refreshing to hear honest and fair questioning of matters concerning politics in the Bahamas as a whole. Seems everyone is being dumbed down. The Bahamas can only grow by honest discussions and not guided by party politics. I love your show and kudos to you. We certainly need more like you. I appreciate you saying so.
Try to have reasonable dialogue.
This says on the point about the behavior the House of Assembly. The House was just suspended in what seems to be a move to block the intent of print out. Oh, really? All right. Okay. Says I was happy to see his attempt to table the affidavit but again disappointed in the senior minister's responses, especially Mitchell stacks as a response to Mitchell calling the matter frivolous gossip being pint out intended tended to table the affidavit in order to bring the matter to discussion. Causing Mitchell to jump up to his feet in disagreement. Followed by the expected verbal wrangling with the speaker before the rota rose to his feet moving a motion for suspension. Yeah, that's how you stop the people them from the opposition from now suspend this House. Let's get out of here this taxes Mr. Lang. Just as an update to Parliament today, Mr. Pintad effort to lay the indictment was once again thwarted by the member of the Foxhell with the assistance of the Speaker. Thank you for continuing to speak truth to power and by God's grace, this matter will be properly vetted. This is bigger than just the government. As to your question, the government will seek to be transparent and do everything in his power to govern with integrity. And there you are. One thing you want change.
You want. You want check power.
You let the people demonstrate some desire to mobilize. You let young people start saying you already with me. Oh, I vote next time. You don't let them people say but listen I ain't vote last time but I guarantee you buddy, I'm gonna be voting next time. And if there's a fishing belief that that's gonna happen. Oh, sugar. Politicians know the popularity is the currency of government.
And how you check power, check the popularity.
We have a call online. Go ahead call. We're listening to you.
[01:08:29] Speaker G: Yes, Mr. Lang.
[01:08:31] Speaker A: Yes, ma', am. How are you?
Yes, ma', am, I'm listening to you.
Hello?
All right. Hello. I don't know what's happening. We lost them this Texas. They would put out more money Issue more no big contracts and do more skull D. These people have no shame. Only God can change their motors. Apparandi. Really? You think they would act more badly if they saw what. Boy, you have no. You have no faith. No faith in them. Poke. That's terrible.
It's crazy. Oh my gosh. I happen to think otherwise. But boys, that's interesting. This says, could you possibly. Oh, that's. That's from the other day.
Let me see here.
Says. Appreciate if you would comment on my questions. He live. If the matter in question is sent to committee on privilege, then if the matter is silenced, the. The. Without further ado, if the opposition is serious about the offense, then they should take the suit to the supreme court. Seems clear. Or else it's fair rhetoric. That's nonsense to her. And that's not. That's not how it works, man. First of all, the opposition is not saying that the government did anything wrong. The opposition is. Is saying we would like to have a discussion about this matter regarding an indictment. What are you going to tell the court to do? You tell the court to tell the government to table the matter. That's nonsense, friend. My friend, you don't understand our system. It doesn't work like that at all.
It doesn't work like that at all. Okay? Secondly, the matter go on the committee. The matter regarding what crazy Thompson has said about the financial. The finance minister and matters said in the parliament of the Bahamas are not subject to lawsuits. That's because you want absolute freedom in the parliament to speak. And the only person who governs what is said or not said in parliament is the speaker. All right, so. So no, there's no lawsuit that the f. M can file against the government sending a matter to the committee. That's the. That's the rules of the house of assembly.
All right? So please understand your system.
Secondly, the government of the Bahamas is sending a matter to the committee on privilege which is already expunged. What are you sending. What are you sending to committee? The speaker expunged it. Expungement means that it's been erased from the records as if it's never been said. So what is. What is the committee going to take up?
The committee is going to look and redirect and say, well, when you said, oh, oh, let me see. Wait, now, wait, wait.
What did you say? But it's not a part of the record anymore. It's expunged. And that in expungement, even the rescue reported has been expunged.
Right? So what is the f. And m going to take to court say oh you know, you know court. We want you to make the government take out a committee things that Mr. Thompson said which is expunged and some come see how foolish it gets.
This text is accident talk show today brother Lang. We must hold this government's feet to the fire no matter what the House speaker tries to cover up. The people will win in these circumstances only believe say first of all I'm not holding the government treated fire. I'm to we're going to discuss matters on this show. I'm going to vet them and as I believe appropriate. But I'm not holding government's feet at fire. I'm not the opposition. That's not my job.
That's not my job. All right, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to Z Live. I'm Shabag, your host. We're going to take a break. We'll be back after this.
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[01:15:59] Speaker A: Welcome back. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to Z Live.
I'm Chevago Lang, your host. So glad you could join us here today on Guardian Radio, 96.9 FM on this beautiful wedding afternoon.
One of the challenges, One of the challenges I think in this country that's causing far too many people to be discouraged from participating in the political process is that we have shown too often in politics, in governance, no courage in dealing with the hard matters.
No courage.
We have far too many incestuous relationships with groupings that compromise our ability to make clear headed decisions about life.
We listen to voices that have far more influence in what happens for their minority interest.
And so we can't do and won't do hard things.
It's easy.
It's easy to tell the commissioner of the prison who I think errantly and unwisely spoke, apologize. It's easy to do that.
But on so many other matters, when it involves politicians or senior government officials or the like civil, senior civil servants, we act and we require nothing.
I love and appreciate a Permanent Secretary in the government of the Bahamas today. I do appreciate him, really do.
But that, but that Permanent secretary during the course of an election dawned himself with partisan paraphernalia.
He was asked to do nothing.
Nothing, nothing.
Commissioner for the prison says something which is clearly, clearly, clearly something he ought not to have said or even be thinking about the way he would manage the prison in respect of women versus men. Clearly. I mean, come on, man, you can't even joke and think that that shouldn't even be a thought in your head.
So it's easy to say to him, apologize. How many other apologies have you heard in the Bahamas?
Any apologies for other. Many other things?
No, can't happen, won't happen because we won't do the hard things.
We won't.
And so people say, man, the hell with y'. All. Y' all ain't serious.
Sometimes the hard things might affect them people, the people who we won't do it.
We give 750, 000 to every member parliament for five years.
What you know about how they spending your money?
What do you know about it?
Nothing. That's going to be $750,000 in five years now times 41.
How much money is that?
That's $30,750,000 in five years will be spent by members of Parliament in the last five years. And since ain't nobody reporting to you on what they did not know about most people. Not a lick, not a word. We won't do hard things. People have been complaining about disclosure and the publishing of disclosure will be done about it. The Freedom of Information act, people been complaining about hard things. Nothing moderate, nothing.
Getting the commissioner to apologize, that was easy matter.
You let somebody get up and say something about the church in government, they make them apologize too. That's an easy matter.
Then the church say, no, you shouldn't have these numbers. People in the cabinet, we won't do hard things.
We do convenient things too often.
And so people get discouraged.
They see stuff that they. They say, well, we elect the F and M and this particular issue, we expect it to change nothing.
We elect the PLP in this issue, we expected to change in nothing. So you know what happens.
I want you to notice this. If you check the record, if you check the voter registration record and voting record, you will find whenever people have come out in the largest numbers to vote, when they have this been discouraged by the term of that government, the a larger number of people fail to show up to vote.
Check the record minutes. Got 94,000 plus people to vote for him on the F and M.
Well, he didn't do it himself personally, but 94,000 people came out to vote for the F and M in 2017. 94,000 people. The largest single number of people in the history of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas voting for a party.
What happened after that term was done? The largest single number of people didn't show up to vote in the history of the Bahamas. 68,000 people stayed home. Pandemic.
That's what happened.
Now this time around the largest number of people didn't show up to vote.
So. So, so it could be that next time the same number of people would show up to vote and say listen, I ain't make no difference to me.
I don't think it makes a difference. Or if the government performs exceptionally well, more people might be prepare to come out to vote. Or if the air of the FM and the COI performs extremely well, people say ah sugar, I gained, I'm going out to vote. Never know.
But we think when we win it's a license to kill, a license to do what we want, a license to say what we want.
But maybe, maybe people are right because it is certainly authority, it's certainly legal authority to do whatever you want within law. And sometimes I don't know if it's been in the law but it certainly might be on the border escape now some gray area of the law.
It says three minutes of pintard attempt to table dog.
Yeah.
This text says Mr. Chicago Lang, I'm trying to find somebody to disagree with you for some time time now and I can't you speak truth and it's very informative to me by the Lang piece. Thank you my friend, I appreciate it. All right. I have lots of people who disagree with me though.
It says I say this boldly. The PM is wrong on his statement that nothing immoral or unethical was done by the Minister. This is inglorious. Okay, what did he wrong ethically or morally, Mr. Marquidas?
I don't know if it's moral or ethical. I. I don't see that. I see. I see a question of judgment maybe it says good day sound for a while laughing is Texas. Good day. Look, if I can say that's that text says Fred Mitchell has formally said looking matter to the F M. Yeah, I remember him saying that. I remember him saying that. That's why I'm confused. Is it, is it, is it a nothing burger? Is it not a joke very seriously is it? Which is says what I find Strange is 30 Men and women declared assets in millions of dollars sat silent as all of this was said. Allegations of an MP kneels in the House of Assembly reported to be captured on video and PLP administration hell bent on stifling you know, garden trafficking allegations and women. I mean honestly. Right, let's. Let's think about it for a moment.
Why not discuss the modern Parliament?
Why not?
Why not? I mean even if you say listen you the document has been tabled.
We See, we are at this point not able to discuss further because investigations are being done etc. We take them continuously and we we will agree at a future date to have a debate on the matter following upon our investigation. Why not? Why not? What's the problem? What's the problem? Listen, let me tell you all something. As long as this indictment is out there and as long as politician 1 is redacted every single person in the House Assembly F and M&TLD under under suspicion. Now the F M's war attacks. It wasn't me. You know me ain't me.
See the BLP can't do that, right? Because then I mean somebody gotta be sitting there and go wasn't me.
And then people say but, but ready, you know. So it's says interesting.
This says good day Lang. All I could say is Fred must be know what he is saying. That's gossip. He knows something he don't know we don't know. I'll wait and see. And the speaker following. Yeah, maybe they do know something we don't know. Maybe they do.
Now that's true. All right, we're going to take our final break. Ladies and gentlemen, we're listening to Z live on Shabbat. Your host, we'll be back after this prayer.
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[01:29:00] Speaker B: I'm not afraid I'm not afraid to take a stand Take a stand every everybody come take my come take my we'll walk this road together through the storm Whatever weather cold the warm Let me know that you're not alone I love if you feel like you.
[01:29:29] Speaker A: Welcome back. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Z Live. I'm Chagalang, your host.
So glad that you could join us here today on Guardian Radio, 96.9 FM on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon. You don't know what I had for lunch today.
Sour saw.
Just soursop.
Can you find something wrong with soursop? I mean, I know some people don't like it. I think maybe it's a texture, but oh, soursop is a good fruit, man. Very healthy fruit. Very delicious fruit.
This text has good get from get from this. Get from line.
See, they ain't ready for you. Not one. That's why they don't call. They cannot challenge what you are revealing, Brother Lang.
Okay, they said, Good evening, Mr. Lang. This is another great show by you and I'm listening and being educated by you on this very impressive issue. There are some talk show hosts who are now treating this indictment as frivolous and accused anyone who dare to mention this as campaigning and being political. What has our country come to? Well, then I'm campaigning and being political then.
And the campaign shall continue.
Might as well tell you if that's what you believe, that's what you believe.
If you think that dealing with this issue is campaign and being political. Chicago lines being political and campaigning. Let the campaign continue.
This is Chicago. The saying goes. May the words I speak be soft and sweet because I may have to swallow them one day. It's true, very true.
This text says I voted FNMZ and we'll do it again tomorrow. I agree with you on us needing to make the hard decisions. There were two instances in my FNM party where I wish the hard decisions was made long island years before the recent general elections. And Mount Mariah before the elections, too. Okay.
Interesting. It says. Good afternoon, sir. That message I sent to you about the Foreign Affairs Minister meeting with the indicted person was. His statement was in his statement.
I was just trying to find a clarity on it. Why was it said to be a private matter?
I have not a clue what you're talking about.
Says a concerned citizen. I find it hard that the Foreign Affairs Minister tells us that they met with indicted principles and they cannot tell us about the matter because it's a private one. How is that possible? Oh. Oh, I didn't. I. I don't know. But that. I. I didn't hear. That I don't.
Boy, you. I know you are no. Plenty things in Bahamas now, and I imagine they could have been with him, but. You mean the man doing business with the government?
Now that's public business, though.
But, but maybe they may have been in private be. Yeah, that could be too, yeah. You. You're doing business with the government and I. I can't meet with you privately. Maybe you could fund the party, some funds, or you might be able to assist with some things. Of course.
Please, please. Government doing business with you and then to shun you privately, man. No, not a possible chance.
Not a possible chance.
It says. Good afternoon, Mr. Lang. The speaker did not speak the truth yesterday. She is not MP number one. But gov. Number one red plate, am I correct?
I don't know. I don't know what is on the Speaker's plate. I really don't know. I don't know.
So I'm sorry, I don't know. But I mean. But, but listen to me.
I never wear MP plate. In the five years, 10 years I was in government. Never. Not my private cars, always had my private license on it.
The government car. I bought the Cabinet plate, that wasn't me. The cup, the Cabinet put the number, the thing, on that plate. Right?
So. But, but, but like MP1, like, what does that have to do with anything?
Let's say politician one, not mp. What does that have to do with anything?
And if the speaker is prepared to say I'm not politician one, what's wrong with the other people saying so? Me, I politician one. I. Me. I'm not politician one either. Me, I'm not politician one.
But everybody. You can't force a situation where I said it ain't be good. We have a call on the line. Go ahead, caller, we're listening to you.
Go ahead, call her. We're listening to you.
[01:34:02] Speaker C: Hello? Hello? Hello, Mr. Lang. Yeah.
[01:34:04] Speaker A: Hey, what's going on?
[01:34:05] Speaker C: I was referred to. That was on the news when Mr. Mitchell had said that the conversation between him and the said person, the public was not privy to that privacy, legality. I didn't.
But I want you to opine on this because this is just my opinion.
The Minister of Foreign affairs may issue some statements as regard to the safety of behemoths in Cuba, etc.
[01:34:28] Speaker H: Right.
[01:34:29] Speaker C: And then they made this.
They trying to debunk or rebut this statement about this sworn affidavit by the said person about this meeting allegedly taking place in the House of Parliament. That's what it is, dismissing an offer, an affidavit. Right. So I mean, if a person gives a sworn affidavit and it's found to be true, they obviously they could. There's legal consequences. Right.
Like if it's not true, then.
[01:34:58] Speaker A: Well, I mean if you swear an office, the affidavit, it only could matter if the affidavit features in a court proceeding on which somebody has been indicted and for.
In court for prosecution and. And so that. That's the only place it would really matter. Other than that.
[01:35:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Yes, I totally agree with you.
[01:35:18] Speaker A: It would matter in the court of public opinion if somebody believes the person who swore the affidavit.
[01:35:24] Speaker C: Yeah, but it's. Given the fact that it's a serious accusation and they haven't addressed it properly, it seems to me as if his statements relating to me, as if he's creating a greater schism with the US government and he's not communicating with them effectively because it's a vague gray area. I just think. But this is what I'm saying because you could talk with them and they could.
[01:35:45] Speaker A: But what the U.S. government will do, unless the U.S. government believes in truth that he, Mr. Mitchell or any other member of Parliament or cabinet minister or what have you, has been a participant in trafficking drugs throughout the United States of America today, let's say, even as
[01:36:05] Speaker C: it relates to Cuba, he made those statements. But he should have like provide more information as to why he's saying that he feel as if there's an eminent threat or something that's about to happen. That's what I mean. Shouldn't they.
[01:36:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's about the safety.
[01:36:17] Speaker C: It's really about the safety of our citizens. I'll end up. And listen.
[01:36:20] Speaker A: Yeah, but the President of the United States of America and them threatening to go and do something with Cuba.
So maybe, maybe he knows something we don't know.
I'm giving warning I would take. I would heed the warning of the business.
If I was a Bayman in Cuba and the minister said, listen, be careful. I could heed the minister.
We have a call on the line. Go ahead, call. Are we listening to you?
[01:36:46] Speaker D: Good afternoon, Chicago.
[01:36:47] Speaker H: How's it going?
[01:36:49] Speaker A: Right here, man. What's going on? Great.
[01:36:50] Speaker D: Wonderful show, as usual. I just called to chime in. I think I was talking about the Eric Gardner where the Ministry of Foreign affairs visited him.
I think the Minister of Foreign affairs made it clear that it was a press. A request by Mr. Gardner to see his behaving counseling.
[01:37:16] Speaker G: Yeah.
[01:37:16] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. And that's okay. And that's. That's entirely appropriate. Entirely appropriate for him.
[01:37:22] Speaker H: Yeah.
[01:37:22] Speaker D: That is not a public. That's.
[01:37:24] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. That's not in public. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You. You are Bahamian in distress abroad. You are Hayman, incarcerated abroad. You have a right to seek assistance from our audience with your duty. A duty to have that meeting with you. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that at all.
No. Thank you for calling. I did not know the context of the conversation, but if that's what it was referring to, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing. Nothing. If I got arrested, even if I got convicted in the United States of America, and I. First of all, the consulate tends to set up an arrangement to meet with you or you can request that meeting, but that's entirely appropriate. Entirely appropriate.
This text says Mr. Lange. It would seem that there is plenty tension in the House of Assembly these days. Only one month after general election. By the way, the member for Fox Hill named the Nassau Guardian this morning. He said he'll flesh it out after the break. Oh, okay.
Okay. This text says, I appreciate you reading my message through Laugh with Loud. But that was said to be recently on the indictment thing going on. Okay.
His text says they met in the federal last week. Yeah, that's entirely appropriate. Entirely appropriate. Is it Mr. Lying? Time will tell. If it's gossip or nine day news pertaining to the indictment, let Mr. Mitchell know. It's a matter of time. Well, I don't know. It could be, you know, nothing and it could be something, but the indictment ain't.
Not the indictment.
Okay.
This text says Chivago. The saying. Oh, it's a line. How could it be frivolous when someone is locked up? Yeah. Yeah, you could get locked up for privilege reasons.
I guess in some rogue state there's Good day lying. All I could say, Fred must be no oh yeah, you don't mean to read that. So Lang, Fred and the speaker words was not only frivolous but also damaging this text says Mr. Lang tells some of the callers who trying to push pin Todd out as leader of the F and M and didn't vote for him. Andrew Ole who is Jamaica PMs now he lost twice as opposition leader then won twice or three times correct me if I'm wrong on that. I. I don't remember his situation exactly.
Says good afternoon grand afternoon. I feel women vote against themselves because of patriarchy. Okay. This Texas, this administration is sampling this current Trump administration governance out the window.
Okay.
All right. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm thankful to you for listening to Z Live today.
Good show as usual. I am of the opinion that we have become victims of of our own success. What I mean when I say that is because of the country general success the fact that people are waking and we are not hungry so to speak. It is much more challenging to get persons out to protest anything and any government could spend $114 million on beaches and parks with no evidence of money being spent on such and still when the government we have become victims of success. Wow. All right ladies and gentlemen listen. Thank you for listening in to Z Live. I'm Chagal. I'm your host. God's best life. We'll be back with you again tomorrow. Don't forget that on Monday next we shall be having our 6:30 Zoom training on reading the budget. God bless. Have a great afternoon.
[01:41:16] Speaker B: Everybody.
Come take my Come take my Walk this road together through the storm whatever weather, cold the war Let me know that you're not alone I feel like you miss down the same road.
