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So I was listening to the House of Assembly where they are now debating an amendment to the Companies act to allow for its alignment with the International Business Companies act to remove the ability under the Companies act to issue bearer shares or bearish share warrants.
Bearer shares are shares of companies that have any name designated such that whoever bears, carries, has hold a person who therefore owns the share.
And this has been one of those means by which people have been able to launder money to finance terrorism. Because if I don't if I don't need to have my name on the shares, so long as I bear them, I have them, then I can, I can liquidate them, I can sell them and I could pick up that money. So if you wanted to give some criminal, some proceed from his, his or her crime, you don't have to issue them cash. You issue them their shares and they can then go and sell those shares and get the cash and that's a way they can laund the money. Or if you don't want to give someone traceable checks or monies or instruments, financial instruments to carry out terrorist activities, you could just issue them some shares and so long as they bear the shares, they can then go and sell those shares and get the cash to do their nefarious work or in payment for their nefarious work.
So the Bahamas is aligning itself with the international standards to ensure that all of its laws prohibit the issuance of such bearer shares as they are called.
The Member of Parliament for Tanani, the.
Miss Michaela Ellis. Barnett Ellis. Mrs. Michael Barnett Ellis, in speaking to the bill made an important point and then asked an important.
This was her point.
She says the other day we brought an amendment to the Terrorism act of the Bahamas and within days debated and passed that act.
She says today we bring an amendment to the Companies Act.
We will debate it and pass this act right away.
[00:06:03] Speaker E: She says both of these bills are bills that we are giving attention to
[00:06:09] Speaker D: and urgent attention to because they are
[00:06:13] Speaker E: international
[00:06:17] Speaker D: obligations that we seek to comply with.
[00:06:23] Speaker E: She says the King is coming to
[00:06:28] Speaker D: the Bahamas and we therefore now can pave roads, certain roads on which the King will travel.
This is the question she asked.
Please listen to the question she asked.
She said, why is it that whenever
[00:06:48] Speaker E: international peoples put an obligation on us that we can so promptly act to fulfill those obligations?
[00:07:05] Speaker D: Examples, the amendment to the Terrorism act, the amendment to the Companies act, the cleaning of the roads that the King will be on.
[00:07:18] Speaker F: She
[00:07:22] Speaker D: said Andros has a need in Central, in Mangrove Key for ambulances. Nobody's urgently attending to that.
[00:07:32] Speaker E: There is a need to fix a
[00:07:35] Speaker D: bridge in Alusra, no urgent attention to that.
[00:07:39] Speaker E: She asked this question, why is it
[00:07:44] Speaker D: so that when the international community
[00:07:51] Speaker G: calls
[00:07:51] Speaker D: upon us to fulfill an obligation, we
[00:07:56] Speaker E: are so eager and we so urgently seek to meet that need,
[00:08:05] Speaker D: that obligation.
[00:08:07] Speaker E: But when our citizens call on us for ambulances in their communities, for clinics in their communities, for other such things,
[00:08:20] Speaker D: we don't act so urgently.
That's the question.
A very important question because the observation
[00:08:28] Speaker E: she makes is true.
You can make that observation in many
[00:08:34] Speaker D: instances and say it is a legitimate observation.
[00:08:40] Speaker E: She asked the question.
[00:08:41] Speaker D: I'm going to give you the answer today, okay? The MP for Kalani asked the question,
[00:08:50] Speaker E: why do international things, obligations get such
[00:08:54] Speaker D: urgent attention by the Bahamas than the things asked for and called for by Bahamian citizens?
[00:09:02] Speaker E: Look at the delays in the nursing
[00:09:05] Speaker D: supplies required in the hospital, she said,
[00:09:10] Speaker E: and you can list off the number
[00:09:14] Speaker D: of things and you will agree with
[00:09:20] Speaker E: her that there seems to be a significant difference between our moving to fulfill
[00:09:27] Speaker D: international obligations and our moving to fulfill obligations to the Bahamas.
And she only asked the question when we come back from the break, I am going to give you the answer.
[00:09:44] Speaker E: Yeah, I'm give you the answer to the question today.
[00:09:48] Speaker D: Why?
Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back after this break. You're listening to Z Live. I'm Chevagolin, your host.
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Member of Parliament for Kalani raised the question how is it that we are able to move so quickly on international obligations and not so quickly when it comes to obligations that the naming people require of us. How is it we can introduce a bill to amend the Terrorism act two days later, debate and pass the act, introduce a bill to amend the company's act bringing in line with international obligations tomorrow, debate and pass the act.
[00:14:37] Speaker E: And the Bayman people may be crying for hospital supplies, school supplies, clinics, ambulances, etc.
[00:14:47] Speaker D: But we always have an excuse.
Oh well, we're getting some study done or they're making an assessment of this, or we are ordering that we expect this to come in at this particular time and so forth and so forth and so forth.
[00:15:04] Speaker E: Never the same urgency.
[00:15:06] Speaker D: She says why?
[00:15:08] Speaker E: She says why is that the case?
[00:15:10] Speaker D: Very important and legitimate question.
Well, she raised the question.
I'm going to give you the answer.
This text says Mr. Lang, I agree with the MP that is asking the question.
Our needs aren't met because we are only the voters.
The only try to show that they care about us. Every five years we the people have got the to show our governments that we are not going to allow them any longer to just use us for our vote. We will be moving in another direction.
All right, that's that that gets close to the fire.
So I'm going to give you the answer.
[00:15:57] Speaker M: Why?
[00:15:58] Speaker D: Why do we move on these international obligations?
Let me tell you why.
[00:16:04] Speaker E: Because these international people don't need your vote.
And they will not hesitate to put you on a list that will cause great consequences for you.
[00:16:18] Speaker D: Right away you, you mess around with
[00:16:21] Speaker E: the United States of America, pull your free clearance and all that kind of stuff. They put headaches on you with respect to the tourists that come into your country.
[00:16:29] Speaker D: They will pull resources from you.
[00:16:31] Speaker E: They will call around and tell their people to scrutinize every transaction passing through the Bahamas and slow down your business to such a degree that nobody would want to be do business with you.
[00:16:41] Speaker D: Because they won't care of about the politics of it all for them.
They will not care.
[00:16:48] Speaker E: The fatf, the cfatf, the OECD and them, they're interested in your politics. They aren't interested in your vote. They're interested in whether they are popular with you or not. They will list you on some negative list right away.
Cause your clients in the international community to feel like they don't want to be in your jurisdiction because you are negatively listed. And that means that when they go in home or they're traveling in the world, they'll be looked at crossed and people will think that they are not good people to do business with and they cannot have that. They will pull their business out your country and your government knows it.
That's why they try to get you off of every list they could find that's negative. That's why even if they, even if they, even if they threaten the risk,
[00:17:34] Speaker D: they'll try to get you off.
That's one of the reasons why they will move heaven and earth and do
[00:17:40] Speaker E: all kinds of gymnastics to appear to be in fiscally sound order so that the international credit rating agencies can look at them and think, oh, what a beautifully fiscal situation you have so that they don't downgrade your more.
[00:17:57] Speaker D: Why?
[00:17:58] Speaker E: Because those people, the consequences from those
[00:18:02] Speaker D: people flow as seriously when you are in breach.
[00:18:07] Speaker E: Let me say it again.
The consequences, negative consequences of international people flow quickly and seriously when you are in breach.
[00:18:22] Speaker D: I want to say it one more time for you.
[00:18:25] Speaker E: They paid attention to these international people because the consequences from them flow quickly.
[00:18:33] Speaker D: I choose my words carefully.
[00:18:36] Speaker E: Quickly and seriously.
[00:18:40] Speaker D: They don't waste no time and they, they make it hurt.
You asked as an example, as the text alluded to.
You complain, you cry.
[00:18:52] Speaker E: Your consequences don't flow for five years. And then when the five years come, sometimes they get lucky and they get voted in again. Well, why should I stop doing what I'm doing if I keep getting what I want?
Consequences don't flow quickly and they don't flow seriously.
[00:19:10] Speaker D: That's the big difference right there.
[00:19:12] Speaker E: International people, quick and serious consequences. You Bahamian people, slow and maybe not.
[00:19:21] Speaker D: That's the big difference. We have a call on the line.
[00:19:23] Speaker E: Go ahead.
[00:19:23] Speaker D: Callable listening to you.
Go ahead.
[00:19:28] Speaker E: Call over. Listening to you.
[00:19:32] Speaker D: Okay. I'm not sure what's going on with them, but that's the difference.
And you have to understand that politicians
[00:19:42] Speaker E: know, they absolutely know you elect me.
[00:19:48] Speaker D: And honestly, there's very little that can change the fact that for five years, that's 365 and a quarter times five days, I shall have the power.
And if you upset today, you could.
[00:20:07] Speaker E: You'll have to suck it up for five years.
[00:20:10] Speaker D: If you upset tomorrow, you'll have to suck it up for 5 years less
[00:20:14] Speaker E: 1 day doesn't matter.
The consequences are not real, are not
[00:20:19] Speaker D: serious, are not quick for politicians except at election time. And that is why the level of
[00:20:26] Speaker E: urgency gets revved up closer to election when they feel
[00:20:34] Speaker D: that you feel your power coming.
[00:20:41] Speaker E: I want you to imagine.
[00:20:42] Speaker D: I want you to imagine this.
Suppose the government knew that if it did not provide an explanation for how
[00:20:55] Speaker E: it spent in detail, $700 million, as
[00:20:59] Speaker D: it indicated, was sent to the National Investment Fund. That if the government knew that if
[00:21:05] Speaker E: it did not do so today, that
[00:21:07] Speaker D: tomorrow there would be an election and you could vote on them.
[00:21:13] Speaker E: What do you think would happen between now and tomorrow?
Somebody text me in telephone.
Tell me what you think would happen if the government knew that you asked it. Listen, man, tell me what you do
[00:21:28] Speaker D: with my $700 million. And I want details. I don't want no broad statement. I want details. I want a full accounting of my money.
And if there isn't a full account of my money, there'll be an election tomorrow. Now, I know nobody don't tell me, but, oh, we know ain't gonna be no election tomorrow.
[00:21:42] Speaker E: Use your doggone imagination for one minute.
[00:21:46] Speaker D: If that was going to happen on
[00:21:47] Speaker E: election tomorrow, what do you think would happen?
[00:21:49] Speaker D: That's the question.
That's the question.
Now y' all got me sitting up here, 12:40am in the morning in Singapore to do.
I expect to hear from you all.
Tell me what you think would happen
[00:22:07] Speaker E: if you, if you, if your government thought that anytime it upset you you
[00:22:12] Speaker D: had the power to get rid of it.
[00:22:13] Speaker E: What do you think would happen?
Tell me if, if you could put them on a blacklist that would cause your.
[00:22:21] Speaker D: The international clients to not come because tourists do not come. What do you think the government would do?
Also remember you, you can't text me by
[00:22:39] Speaker M: the.
[00:22:39] Speaker D: If you texted me on the, on the line of the, of the show, they'll have to send me your note. Okay. So I'll have to get notes sent to me by WhatsApp. We have a call on the line.
[00:22:55] Speaker M: Go ahead, caller.
[00:22:56] Speaker E: We're listening to you.
[00:22:57] Speaker M: Hi, Mr. Lang, you're such an educated man offering your knowledge and we. I appreciate you.
Now what I think they would do
[00:23:06] Speaker G: is they would do what they supposed to do properly.
[00:23:08] Speaker M: Whether they got a lie or whatever they have to do, they can figure it out and they can answer all our questions and they can suffice us because they want our vote. Whatever we need at that time, they're going to give it to us because they want our vote. But if we act like that for the whole five years and hold their foot to the fire, then we don't have to do that for six months, man.
[00:23:29] Speaker D: So if the consequences were quick and serious, they would act differently toward you.
[00:23:35] Speaker M: It needs to be quick because if I don't pay my, my mortgage or my car payment or my school fee, the penalty is quick.
Things need to be quick, man. There's no penalties, no accountability. There ain't nothing. I don't even know if we could even hold them to the fire until it's six months. And why do we keep voting the
[00:23:54] Speaker G: same thing over and over?
[00:23:56] Speaker M: I have to say this, and I'm so sorry that I have to say this like we stupid.
Why we.
[00:24:04] Speaker D: You voted.
[00:24:07] Speaker E: No, no, no.
[00:24:08] Speaker D: But let me ask you a question. When you. When will Bahamas change from the so called Bay street boys or UBP to the PLP for better?
[00:24:17] Speaker M: that time. Yeah.
[00:24:19] Speaker D: Okay. When it changed from the PLP in 90. When it changed from the PLP in 92 to the F M and under Ingram in 92.
[00:24:26] Speaker E: Did not some things change for the better?
[00:24:28] Speaker M: Yes, it did change at that time. For that moment.
[00:24:31] Speaker E: Okay, so, so you can get.
[00:24:33] Speaker M: Since this administration came into power, everything. Digress. Since they came into power, sir.
[00:24:38] Speaker D: I got you, ma'.
[00:24:39] Speaker E: Am.
[00:24:41] Speaker M: Everything.
The voice, you know, the, the, the, the 1962. 67. Yeah, they gave us some stuff. 1992, we got some stuff now.
[00:24:53] Speaker G: The most.
[00:24:53] Speaker M: The last one before him and this one, the one during COVID And this one. I almost lose my bohemianness. And I support bohemian.
I even almost shamelessly as a bohemian. And it shouldn't be that way because this is one of the best countries in the world.
[00:25:12] Speaker D: I appreciate your calling, ma'.
[00:25:15] Speaker G: Am.
[00:25:15] Speaker D: Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. We have another call on the line. Go ahead, call. Over. Listening to you.
[00:25:21] Speaker N: Yeah.
Good night, Mr. Lang.
One doesn't need any imagination to answer the question that you ask, okay? The facts are clear.
But what I see wrong there is the. The system doesn't allow,
[00:25:43] Speaker M: I would say,
[00:25:43] Speaker N: adequate enough for the Bahamian populace by law to bring these people to account as they ought to. And if we got to wait for five years, if there is a perceived wrongdoing or infraction, and we can, and we don't have the ability to properly lawfully make them account, then something is wrong with that system.
[00:26:13] Speaker E: Let me ask you.
[00:26:13] Speaker D: Let me ask you a question. So let me. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.
What is it that a. What is it that a group of politicians need most at election time in order to win? What is it that they need most?
[00:26:28] Speaker N: Well, they need. They need enough. Enough support.
[00:26:32] Speaker D: That's right. They need popularity, right? No, no, they need popularity. You're right. They need popularity. Right?
[00:26:40] Speaker N: You know, I can tell you something, Mr. Lang, and, and for the.
[00:26:44] Speaker M: For,
[00:26:47] Speaker G: brother.
[00:26:47] Speaker D: Listen to me.
[00:26:48] Speaker E: Hold on.
[00:26:48] Speaker M: Me.
[00:26:48] Speaker D: Hold on, hold on one minute for me, please.
I just want to.
[00:26:51] Speaker E: Let's, let's follow this logically.
[00:26:53] Speaker D: I'm asking the question, is it that they need popularity to get support, you have to be popular. True or not true?
[00:26:59] Speaker N: In a sense, yes, in a sense.
[00:27:03] Speaker E: You mean to tell me people just
[00:27:04] Speaker D: go and vote for you and you ain't popular with them?
[00:27:07] Speaker N: Well, let me. I could, I could, I could say something to that. That's what I'm thinking a little bit different. So I could take something to that, you know. You know, to me, to me, politicians shouldn't be elected by popularity. To me, especially if you have been there before and you have done a bad job. Your previous caller talk about. You asked about changes during the ubp. When the UBP change. When the BLB change, You talk about changes. If we, if we are looking at this country for the betterment of this country and we are dealing with issues factually and truthfully, then I don't care how popular person is. If they, if they ain't no good, they simply ain't no good. You could have the most popularity in the world.
[00:27:48] Speaker D: Okay, okay, okay. So let me. Let me explain something, please, sir. Okay? One of the things that, if you want to think I want to think clearly.
What you have to do is you have to not. You have to be able to distinguish between what you would like to have happen and what actually happens.
[00:28:06] Speaker E: Okay?
[00:28:07] Speaker D: You would like for there to be not a popularity associated with election.
[00:28:13] Speaker E: That ain't what happens though. That's not the reality. So you have to deal with the reality. And so what I'm saying to you is because politicians need to be popular
[00:28:23] Speaker D: when they seek election, that is the
[00:28:26] Speaker E: way in between elections, you can influence them because you attack their popularity.
That's the point. Not what I want to happen. What actually happens.
All right? An unpopular politician is unlikely to be re elected.
[00:28:46] Speaker D: Whether they get popular because of their personality or they get popular because of their policies, it doesn't matter.
If you want to influence them, you have to leverage their popularity.
I'm giving you some advice and guidance.
Right? You have to deal with the reality as it is, not what you want it to be. You have to then make it what you want it to be when you are able to get. Okay, all right.
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[00:35:06] Speaker N: then
[00:35:06] Speaker D: they would be the most accountable and transparent government we ever seen. Lying. The government wouldn't give a damn about what they think because the people will still vote for them.
Oh, boy. I think most of you, I think most of us agree that if the consequences to the government flowed quickly and seriously, we would have different behavior from the government in terms of its behavior. I have very little doubt based on
[00:35:46] Speaker E: my experience, knowledge
[00:35:50] Speaker D: and reasoning that that would be the case.
[00:35:53] Speaker E: No doubt. I have no doubt on planet Earth
[00:35:56] Speaker D: because they know you ain't having no election next week. You ain't have no election the week after next. You have no election next month, you
[00:36:03] Speaker E: ain't have no election next year.
[00:36:05] Speaker D: Probably they say to themselves, yeah, they cussing right now, but we know what time it is, man. We get close to the election, we do what we got to do. Bomb slam. Thank you, mom. We good to go.
This text, that is.
[00:36:17] Speaker G: Oh.
[00:36:19] Speaker D: So the government would be voted out of office.
I ain't talking about how they.
I'm not talking about them being voted out of office. I'm talking about how they would act if they knew that quick, swift and serious consequences would flow to their behavior. Like it flows from the international community
[00:36:37] Speaker E: that men in the national community don't wait to go list you. And they go put their notice out to the whole world. You see them people?
[00:36:43] Speaker D: I'm over there and look at the word they use. They blacklist you.
They don't use the words. We use the word. They blacklist us. Like black is a problem, is a dirty word. If you listen to Michaela, Ellis, she don't want it. Ellis, she don't say blacklist. You know, she said dark colored list.
I wouldn't even say dark color. This. Y' all heard what I said when I started? I said negative list. Negative, negative list.
All right, Because. Because we like to associate negative things with black and who black. We black people. They say we colored people. We dark people. No, there's two negative lists and you could have a negative list written on white paper.
In fact, most negative lists are written on white people.
So.
Yeah, so I thought it was an important question she raised and I thought that I should tell you what the answer is. What's the answer to why you get treated differently than them people?
[00:37:44] Speaker E: Because you guys, we don't give swift
[00:37:48] Speaker D: serious consequences except at election time.
Now, someone said it. It's the way our system is.
But the truth of the matter is.
The truth of the matter is that
[00:38:00] Speaker E: you can affect
[00:38:05] Speaker D: government.
And I'm talking about as a group now, not an individual. Because somebody talks about your popularity as an individual. You know what I mean?
[00:38:12] Speaker E: You don't.
[00:38:13] Speaker D: We don't just support people because they are.
Because people get rid of them. Other people.
[00:38:21] Speaker E: We don't only just do that.
[00:38:23] Speaker D: There has to be. If you had. If you have two very unpopular parties, you know what happens, what happened in the last two general elections?
Stay home voters.
[00:38:37] Speaker E: And that's what you have when you have unpopularity.
[00:38:41] Speaker D: Right? Now, one party got more support than
[00:38:44] Speaker E: the other party, but both parties were unpopular.
Right. So you could affect popularity of parties in between election.
[00:38:57] Speaker D: Right.
[00:38:57] Speaker E: And that's how you do it. That's how you get leverage. Because they know, they understand.
[00:39:02] Speaker D: I don't.
[00:39:02] Speaker E: I need our popularity. And my popularity gets too much too soon. And hang on. Hangs on.
[00:39:08] Speaker D: Oh, Lord, help me. So they got to try and do something about it.
So don't tell. I know our system don't allow for elections but, but for every five years or whenever the prime minister call it. But our system also allows for the impact of popularity to happen. Why you think these, these politicians always cussing the Guardian.
Because the Guardian called them out. They feel like they're getting this popular.
[00:39:35] Speaker E: So why do you think they're trying
[00:39:36] Speaker D: to diminish the Guardian standing?
[00:39:38] Speaker E: Because they want you to not listen
[00:39:39] Speaker D: to the Guardian so that their popularity isn't affected by what the Guardian writes and says.
[00:39:45] Speaker E: Why do you think they want you
[00:39:46] Speaker D: to think that the Guardian is against them? Guardian ain't against them. Guardian. It speaks about the things they do.
[00:39:51] Speaker E: And if they do good things, they talk about that. If they do bad things, they talk about that.
[00:39:54] Speaker D: But they don't want that.
[00:39:56] Speaker E: Why do you think they don't want you protesting in the streets?
[00:39:59] Speaker D: Because protests in the street make them look bad.
[00:40:02] Speaker E: Why do you think they don't want
[00:40:03] Speaker D: you write negative letters to the editor on them? Because they, it makes them look bad.
[00:40:07] Speaker E: Why do you think they want. They don't want you calling to make
[00:40:09] Speaker D: the talk show seem like there's only
[00:40:11] Speaker E: one sided because they know it can affect their popularity.
[00:40:14] Speaker D: Why do you think they're picking up people of depression of the media and
[00:40:17] Speaker E: putting them inside their own stuff trying
[00:40:19] Speaker D: to give them positive media coverage? Because they're trying to affect their own popularity.
[00:40:23] Speaker E: Why do you think they're all over social media trying to get people to
[00:40:26] Speaker D: route this one and custer one and say this thing and say the next thing? Because they're trying to get popularity.
[00:40:32] Speaker E: You think these people don't understand what it takes?
[00:40:35] Speaker D: They politicians man, everybody know politicians know that popularity is the currency of politics.
Everybody knows it.
And the more popularity you get the more support you get, period.
There is a positive correlation with importance.
[00:40:53] Speaker E: Positive.
[00:40:56] Speaker D: More popularity, more support. Less popularity, less support, period.
Cannot be argued with.
You're listening to see live Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Cheval relying your host. We're going to take a break for news and then we're going to travel to Grand Bahama and talk about Grand Bahama. Oh my God. Some big big things for Grand Baham. We'll be back after this news break.
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[00:42:35] Speaker D: Can you all hear me fast.
Welcome back to Z live ladies and gentlemen I'm Shivago Lang, your host. So glad you could join us here today on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM.
Thursday morning for me, Wednesday afternoon for you.
I, I want to warn you guys I, I am gonna, I'm not going to do a live show tomorrow. I will do a pre recorded show for you tomorrow but I want to do a live one and then I will not do a live show on Friday.
I am on the other side of the world and I'm 12 hours ahead of you. So whatever time it is for you home it is the absolute opposite for me here.
So it's 12, it's one o' clock you, it is one o' clock in the morning for me.
Okay?
And I have to tell you that's not easy. I'm gonna lie to you, that's really not easy.
Fortunately for me tonight I had something to do that took me late into the evening and so it made it easier to transition to this.
So here we go again with Grand Bahama.
Here we go again.
The Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas proposes a number of things to be announced for Grand Bahama.
According to the Nassau Guardian releasing what is some breaking news about the matter, the government proposes to present a green paper on Grand Bahama proposing three things in particular for Grand Bahama.
The green paper being a kind of consultative document that lays out what it wants to consult on.
And according to the Nassau Guardian, government proposes to consult on a structural review of the Hawksbill Creek Agreement to examine possible amendments to it or whether to repeal or to repeal and replace. It says that the review will address in quote existing rights and obligations and the provisions necessary for transitions. That's the first thing.
The green paper would also propose to establish a Grand Bahama development which would have the remit, membership and accountability and role.
To I guess provide that citation on the Grand Bahama Grand Bauma's development.
And then it is finally proposing a Grand Bahama development which would would establish a island wide development, planning and regulatory coordination and public accountability.
I don't know if this is true.
I don't know if this is true but I am already not impressed.
Now not that anybody was trying to impress me but when I say I'm not impressed I'm saying this doesn't capture my imagination. It doesn't.
It doesn't engage my imagination at all. It doesn't.
[00:46:52] Speaker H: Why?
[00:46:53] Speaker D: Let me tell you why.
In and of themselves these things do not bother me. I don't think there's anything wrong with these things in and of themselves.
Of course, almost everything. The devil is in the details and the proof is in the eating, right?
But here's what bothers me about this and I don't know why the government doesn't see it. When it comes to Grand Bahama and all its talk about grandma. I don't know why the government doesn't see this.
The Bahamas government, the Bahamas government, that includes the Davis administration, that includes preceding
[00:47:38] Speaker E: administrations, some to a lesser degree than others, have a woeful obviously re performance record on the places they have absolute
[00:47:54] Speaker D: control of in Grand Muhammad.
[00:47:57] Speaker E: Let me give you an example.
[00:47:59] Speaker D: People go to east Grand Bahama which does not fall under the remit of the Hawksbill Creek Agreement, go to West
[00:48:07] Speaker E: Grand Bahama which does not fall under
[00:48:09] Speaker D: the remit of the Hawksbill Creek Agreement.
[00:48:12] Speaker E: Look in those areas of Grand Bahama people go right now and look, see how organized they are, see how developed they are. See how well put Together they are
[00:48:27] Speaker D: compared to Freeport where the Hawksbill Creek Agreement does apply.
[00:48:34] Speaker E: That the government of the Bahamas could have a plan for Freeport, Grand Bahama and has had responsibility for east and West Grand Bahama all these many decades and has done absolutely very little to improve the development of those areas. And all of a sudden now it has the means, it has the strategic intelligence, it has the wherewithal to do in Freeport and for Freeport what it ain't been able to do in eastern West Grand Bahama having no one else to account to but itself.
Come on, come on, come on, people.
Come on, come on, come on. Please, come on.
This is very serious.
You, when you are, when you are listening to people, check their pattern of behavior more than you check their promises.
Check their pattern of behavior more than you check their promises staring you right in the face in the face is East Grand Bahama and West Grand Bahama. I'm not going to the other.
[00:49:42] Speaker D: Those are even worse.
[00:49:44] Speaker E: Go to East Grand Bahama and West Grand Bahama. West Grand Bahama has supported a progressive
[00:49:51] Speaker D: liberal party administration and government and party
[00:49:53] Speaker E: for all of its tenure.
[00:49:56] Speaker D: For the most part. I'm talking about West End, Papa.
[00:50:01] Speaker E: Look at West Grand Bahama.
Look at East Grand Bahama.
Look at it over the last five
[00:50:07] Speaker D: years under Davis administration.
[00:50:11] Speaker E: Look at it over the preceding years under a Minnesota administration.
Look at it under the previous years under a Christian administration, the Ingram administration.
No one other than the government of the Bahamas control those areas. No Oxford Creek Agreement, no Grand Bama Port Authority. Nobody other than the government. Who then do you blame for what is happening in those islands?
[00:50:34] Speaker R: Plan.
[00:50:35] Speaker D: Those areas of Grand Bahama was subject
[00:50:37] Speaker E: to free trade, duty free import and
[00:50:43] Speaker D: some and other concessions under a Grand Bahama Act Development act when the hurricanes passed, Ingram did that.
Ingram did a Grand Bahama Development act when some concessions under the Hawksville Creek agreement faded. That would have put Bahamians at a disadvantage in terms of paying both business license fees and surf charges to the port and also real property taxes and
[00:51:07] Speaker E: so forth and so forth.
Who stopped the government from developing East
[00:51:13] Speaker D: Grand Bahama, West Grand Bahama?
[00:51:14] Speaker E: Who stopped the Davis administration over the
[00:51:16] Speaker D: last five years from doing all the
[00:51:18] Speaker E: things that it boasts about that the
[00:51:19] Speaker D: port did not do in east and West Grand Bahama.
[00:51:22] Speaker E: And if east and West Grand Bahama developed that way, what do you think would have happened? People in Freeport without jobs, people in Freeport without economic opportunities would have flowed
[00:51:30] Speaker D: to east and West Grand Bahama just
[00:51:31] Speaker E: as people from east and West Grand
[00:51:32] Speaker D: Bahama flow to Freeport to have jobs.
[00:51:36] Speaker E: Explain, explain the plan to me for the rest of the Bahamas that the
[00:51:41] Speaker D: government has responsibility for.
[00:51:43] Speaker E: Why has the government of Bahamas all of a sudden enlightened
[00:51:48] Speaker D: to affect development in Grand Bahama?
[00:51:52] Speaker E: That's the first, that's the first hurdle
[00:51:54] Speaker D: I have that I need to get over.
[00:51:58] Speaker E: Look at the rest of the Bahamas, folks.
Look at, look at New Providence.
What is happening in New Providence other than inertia?
The inertia of cruise visitors, the inertia of high end enclaves that were started far beyond this administration?
What is happening in New Providence? What new developments are happening industrially, sectorally in New Providence that the government of the Bahamas is responsible for? What?
What strategic thruster can you show me as to the development of New Providence that is the brainchild of the government of the Bahamas?
Where's the New Providence Development Council?
Where's a review of the economic model of New Providence of the Bahamas?
Where's that, where's the green paper on those things?
[00:53:02] Speaker D: Come on, man. I'm, I'm sorry.
[00:53:04] Speaker E: No.
[00:53:06] Speaker D: We have a call on the line. Go ahead, caller. We're listening to you.
[00:53:09] Speaker G: How are you? Good. Sure, as usual.
[00:53:11] Speaker D: Thank you, my friend.
[00:53:13] Speaker G: I would give the government one eastern, east and west Grandmama. Yes. Why?
Just listen to my reason for thinking.
Listen to my thinking for a sec.
[00:53:27] Speaker E: Let's.
[00:53:28] Speaker D: Forgive me, man, I, I. Forgive me.
[00:53:29] Speaker E: I'm gonna listen.
[00:53:30] Speaker D: But I, I have to tell you, my initial reaction is ah, go ahead though.
[00:53:33] Speaker G: I know, go ahead, go ahead. I know you think, I know you think. That's why I said just go ahead, brother.
[00:53:38] Speaker D: Go, go ahead.
[00:53:42] Speaker G: So, yeah, let's get him a buy. Which require a lot of money to get it. To get it where it needs supposed to be Red need. The red need to be.
[00:53:48] Speaker E: But let me ask you a question first. Let me ask you a question. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Where you live?
[00:53:55] Speaker G: I live in Grandma particular.
[00:53:59] Speaker D: You live in East Grand Bama.
[00:54:01] Speaker G: Yeah.
[00:54:02] Speaker D: And the government, you giving the government
[00:54:03] Speaker E: a blind because of what?
[00:54:04] Speaker G: No, no, no, I said a little, I didn't say give him a pass.
[00:54:07] Speaker E: Yeah, I know, a little blind because
[00:54:10] Speaker G: see how my thinking before you come out.
[00:54:12] Speaker E: Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
[00:54:13] Speaker G: The government, this administration came into office with the full ownership of the Alakaya and the Grandmama airport, which require very little.
The airport in particular, which require very little money to get up and running compared to the budget. The money with the government raised, the airport require very little get up and running. If the government can't get the airport and grand mama up and running. Why do we as grand BM's believe that they could get there the Port Authority up.
[00:54:47] Speaker D: I see. I see where you're going brother. I see where you're going. I see where you're going.
[00:54:52] Speaker E: You're telling. What you're saying to me is you're saying Chicago you're going too far out for challenging things.
You're telling me stay closer to Freeport itself.
[00:55:02] Speaker G: They could get the airport up and running for. For under $50 million.
Under $50 million they could get there up and running.
Done.
The air. The, the, the, the grand look in five years.
[00:55:15] Speaker D: In five years.
Yeah.
[00:55:18] Speaker G: In five years they couldn't get it done. The Alu Kaya they met a deal in phase cancel. We have one the money a next deal.
[00:55:26] Speaker D: Good point.
[00:55:26] Speaker G: They couldn't get that. Good point. So we see most of the behemoths don't live in grandma and grandma they have no clue. I would. I would safe to say that majority of the behemoth people have never even seen a copy of the Oxford Creek agreement. They have no clue what's inside the Oxford Creek agreement or the benefits as we as grand names get from the Oxford Creek agreement.
[00:55:54] Speaker D: But, but brother. But brother. But but but brother. You know let me. Let me first of all let me thank you. I really do. I want to thank you for providing a better explanat a better example of
[00:56:06] Speaker E: government deficiency in the Freeport area than
[00:56:10] Speaker D: I could have provided. I thank you for that.
[00:56:13] Speaker G: That's why I say good just hear my thing.
[00:56:15] Speaker D: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I thank you for that.
[00:56:18] Speaker G: This, this.
They talk about this thing that they want to put this committee or something they want to put in Grandmama to, to revise grandmama. Well what was the Ministry of Grandmama design for?
[00:56:35] Speaker R: Man.
[00:56:35] Speaker D: Man, you know something I.
[00:56:37] Speaker E: You should do this whole show for me.
[00:56:38] Speaker D: This part of it. I, I, I. You you write on the you right right on the button.
[00:56:42] Speaker E: But let me.
[00:56:43] Speaker D: Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.
So we agreement haven't you.
[00:56:51] Speaker G: Yeah.
[00:56:52] Speaker E: Okay now most of the provisions of the Hawksburg Creek agreement already passed.
[00:56:58] Speaker M: Yeah.
[00:56:59] Speaker E: They were supposed to build a harbor. They were supposed to do this, they were supposed to do that. This was the. We done talking about a city that has already been mostly built.
[00:57:06] Speaker G: Not the most. We have other cities around the world that was developed from the Hawksbill Creek agreement.
[00:57:12] Speaker D: Exactly.
[00:57:14] Speaker E: The most provisions of the Hawksbill Creek Agreement that are live relate to the benefits that the Licensees get in terms of government allowance of duty free, conditional
[00:57:28] Speaker D: duty free entrance of their supplies.
[00:57:32] Speaker E: 80% of the licensees of the Grandmama
[00:57:35] Speaker D: Port Authority are Bahamians.
[00:57:37] Speaker E: Yes, Bahamians.
[00:57:39] Speaker D: These aren't foreigners.
[00:57:40] Speaker E: No more Bahamians. So what you gonna man, replace what you're going to take out those concessions to those Bahamian licensees
[00:57:53] Speaker G: for people who don't live in Grand Mama or the Grand Mayemis. Who's supporting this?
All you have to do is go towards East End, Main West End and get to 8 pyro corner and look at the stark difference between the city of West.
[00:58:08] Speaker E: Absolutely. But listen to me, man, go.
[00:58:15] Speaker G: When you get to the bottom, when you get to the fork, look at the stark difference between Freeport City and the East Grandmama proper, the missile base.
[00:58:24] Speaker E: How would you do, how would they do this? How would they, how would they do this? How would you go to Nassau and look at Nassau City and come to Freeport and look at it?
[00:58:37] Speaker G: How would you go to how would
[00:58:40] Speaker E: you go to Nassau? How would you go to Nassau and see the building construction in Nassau compared to building construction in Freeport?
[00:58:49] Speaker G: Yeah, yeah.
You, you on point with where you going with this. You know, and I, I, I honestly believe that this is just another attempt for the government because they've been trying it from they first came into government been trying to grab their hands on a grandmama boy. 30. You have the airport, you have the hotel. It seems like the government is just lacking crayons. They put all these crayons inside this box and they don't want color.
[00:59:15] Speaker M: Nothing.
[00:59:16] Speaker D: I'm gonna tell you all one of these days what is behind all of this.
One of these days I will tell you. And it ain't like I can't tell you today
[00:59:27] Speaker G: so that we could properly do the right thing the next time.
[00:59:33] Speaker D: Because I only want to tell you
[00:59:38] Speaker G: what they're trying to do in Grandmama. I hope you share it. So in particular,
[00:59:44] Speaker D: this grandma effort, this grandma effort is not vacuous.
It is motivated.
It is motivated.
I listen, my brother, I ain't asking nobody. And if and I don't want nobody get vexed with me and try to. I am, it is motor gated
[01:00:02] Speaker G: and,
[01:00:02] Speaker E: and honestly, I'm sick and tired.
[01:00:05] Speaker D: I'm sick and tired of some of.
I'm sick and tired. That's what I'm saying.
[01:00:12] Speaker G: Let me add it's being motivated to the disadvantage of Grand Bahamians.
Hang up and continue to listen.
[01:00:23] Speaker D: Thank you. Appreciate you calling, appreciate you calling this Texas, Mr. Lang, I thought you were going to be overly ecstatic for the upcoming Freeport announcement that they'll be making.
Say hi, Mr. Lang. This government can't run what it has control of now and trying to bite off more with the port. NASA is a disgrace. Roads full of holes, parks near major resorts are filthy. And the biggest failure, basic electricity cannot be provided.
People with children after a hard day's work coming home to pitch black house. Name one thing that is working in this country besides contracts for cronies. Another attempt at state capture. That's it. Effort is motivated by state capture in my view, says that person. This says, good afternoon, we will be downgraded by the imf.
I. I'm not telling anybody what I know and understand today. I mean, I would be lying to you all if I told y' all something different. But I ain't saying. I mean honestly. I'm honestly. Come on, man. Come on.
You're listening to Z Live. I'm Shabag, your host. We'll be back after this break.
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[01:05:35] Speaker D: Welcome back welcome back ladies and gentlemen to Z Live. I'm Sh your host. So glad that you could join us here today on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon for you. Thursday morning for me.
You know Freeport is in Grand Bahama isn't just a place for me, right?
I moved to Grand Bahama with my mother when I was about eight years old.
I schooled in Grand Bahama from grade three to my graduation.
I went to Lewis Yard Primary School in grade three finished Lewis Yard Primary School. I went to Hawksville High School and finished Hawksbill High School and only left Grand Bahama for some years when I went to the university to the College of the Bahamas. Returned home. So Grand Bahama is my home.
Is home for I wish to live nowhere else on planet earth but Grand Bahama, not even New Providence. I don't mind being in New Providence, but I don't. But I want to live in Grand Bahama.
It is a special place for me.
[01:06:54] Speaker E: Special place.
[01:06:55] Speaker D: I happen to know it very well. I happen to know the bright forces in Grand Bama and I happen to know the dark forces in grandmama. I happen to know the bright personalities in Grandmama. I happen to know the dark personalities in Grandma. I happen to know the very greed and GRE and nasty people in Grand Bahama. And I know the generous and helpful people in Grand Bahama. I know many, many, many things about grandmama. Things I say and don't say.
Many, many things.
[01:07:23] Speaker E: Many things.
[01:07:25] Speaker D: I know many political things about Grand Bahama.
I know many non political things about Grand Bahama. I know many religious things about Grand Bahama. I know many non religious things about grandma. I've had many experiences in Grandmama. Good, bad and ugly.
I know many things about Grand Bama and some of the people who whisper in these dark corners and in these
[01:07:46] Speaker E: silent spaces where they think nobody knows what they are up to.
Don't be surprised
[01:07:55] Speaker D: how people know. I know many things about Grand Bahama.
[01:08:00] Speaker E: It is not just a place for me.
[01:08:03] Speaker D: It is home for me.
Literal home.
It is where my mother is buried, where my father is buried. It is where my eldest brother is buried, where my eldest sister is buried.
It is not just a place for me.
It is where my mother spent much
[01:08:28] Speaker E: of her life working and slaving to take care of nine children.
It is not just a place for me.
And I am not interested in anything
[01:08:46] Speaker D: other than serious effort and work for Grand Bahama. I'm interested in no political effort on the part of the FNM or the PLP or DANA or COI for Grand Bahama.
[01:08:56] Speaker E: I'm interested in serious efforts for that place.
I'm not interested in any effort that is misdirected, misguided or intended for some special interest. I'm not interested in any such effort for Grand Bahama.
[01:09:14] Speaker D: And I thank God I'm educated enough
[01:09:17] Speaker E: that I'm experienced enough that I have an awareness enough to be able to
[01:09:22] Speaker D: analyze and assess efforts being made anywhere in the Bahamas, including in Grand Bahama.
[01:09:32] Speaker E: Okay?
[01:09:35] Speaker D: A couple of years ago, the government of the Bahamas came to Grand Bahama,
[01:09:43] Speaker E: had a big party, huge party celebrating the signing of an agreement between itself
[01:09:51] Speaker D: and Concord Wilshire 800 million dollar development.
[01:09:56] Speaker E: On that day, while people went there, some skeptical, many supporters of the PLP enthusiastic and rightfully so, while we listened to big speeches by everybody in the government, the port, the private sector, so forth.
On that same day, the developers hired a tractor and tried to tear down a piece of building and was unsuccessful doing that, which I think was an omen for the project to begin with. They were unsuccessful tearing down a piece of building.
They only got to scrape it two
[01:10:33] Speaker D: years later or so.
[01:10:36] Speaker E: Nothing. Nothing.
Nothing.
Can you imagine if the Grand Bahama,
[01:10:42] Speaker D: if the Grand Lucaya was being actively developed today, the government making the announcement it was making today, it would be received with a. In a different light.
[01:10:53] Speaker E: But against the backdrop of that failure, I have to tell you why people would be, including myself, skeptical about any plans the government has for Grand Bama.
Because it has too many instances
[01:11:11] Speaker M: that
[01:11:11] Speaker E: have reflected nothing but failure.
The same kind of failure. It Talked about what Dr. Minnes had five years, four and a half years
[01:11:20] Speaker D: Dr. Minnis was in office. Nothing for Grand Bahama in terms of Grand Lucaya.
[01:11:24] Speaker E: Five years of the Davis administration and nothing for Grand Lucaya sales. Cool.
[01:11:36] Speaker D: People in Grandmama are not doing announcements well and they're not doing groundbreaking well.
[01:11:44] Speaker E: They're not.
[01:11:45] Speaker D: I'm not asking anybody. I'm telling you not. As a general rule, this text says, good day, Mr. Lang. I feel like most of the decisions made by this government is influenced by its large donors. They are privatizing government entities and seeking to capture more for their large corporate supporters, or so it seems. They are selling the country to their cronies, in my opinion, says that texter.
This text says, go spend a week in Illustra with no power or water, roads just paved, already falling apart. No Internet or phones either. And Luther actually have some deposits, development taking place.
This text says blessed Wednesday. Mr. Lang. My biggest concern about this announcement that RPM is making tonight is the fact that the same characters who, according to arbitration rama port Authority based on expired or amended clauses of the Hawksbury Grand Agreement, is still proposing to make changes to a document that I'm still not fully convinced that they sufficiently understand. And for the record, I also have known why this.
I have known why this administration is taking so much interest in Freeport. And it is rooted in the personnel and personal ambitions of the PLP chairperson.
[01:13:19] Speaker G: No.
[01:13:19] Speaker D: Okay.
I can tell you what I know today.
I leave that.
[01:13:37] Speaker E: I just.
[01:13:39] Speaker D: I am really baffled, actually.
And I'm baffled about why we think. Think we have a strategic plan for this country.
Why we think that the way we are conducting ourselves reflects a rational, coherent manner of proceeding for the development of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas. I cannot imagine why we think we're doing that and why we would think that's the.
[01:14:12] Speaker M: That.
[01:14:12] Speaker D: That that's not something that we have to find a rational, coherent plan for
[01:14:19] Speaker E: the development of the country.
I don't understand it.
I really don't.
We cannot. We cannot.
[01:14:31] Speaker N: We.
[01:14:31] Speaker E: Listen, man, we can't.
Only a clear Concise vision supported by a funds based strategic plan executed by competent leadership, evaluated on the regular by assessing measurable outcomes, adjusted to reflect.
Sorry about that.
We have to have a clear and concise vision supported by a intelligent evidence based strategic plan executed by a competent
[01:15:33] Speaker M: team,
[01:15:36] Speaker E: pursued by outcomes that we evaluate on the regular, make adjustments in light of our assessments and evaluations and continue prodding along a intentional path. Anything short of that will mean that we only operate by backup, accident, special interest
[01:16:01] Speaker M: or
[01:16:03] Speaker E: luck.
There has to be coherence and rationality in the way we proceed.
And you can get mad with me if you want.
You can be in the government, you could be in the opposition, you could be in the private sector, you could be in the non private sector and get mad with me if you want.
Challenge that that is not true.
That that is what it takes to move something productively along the way.
And I challenge this nation.
It does not have a coherent plan. It does not.
It is not operating on the basis of an intelligent evidence based strategic plan. It is not.
Our policy making is not built on analytical, serious consideration. They are not.
And so we the way we look now because we keep doing these things.
I don't even know that I know.
[01:17:08] Speaker D: I actually do know.
We have a call on the line. Go ahead, caller. We're listening to you.
[01:17:14] Speaker M: Yes, Mr. Lang. It seems like it is their mode of operandi to not be coherent and measured and accountable. And it seems to be the plan of the day to keep the people frustrated and confused because in doing that, it seems like you'll be able to manipulate and control us better.
And so I don't think they're on board with, you know, I would want the same thing you're talking about right now. I'm growing up in Freeport. I'm a Freeport.
I'm really getting to the real and bad.
I'm a free party.
And it saddens my heart to see where the liberty of the people is at.
And it doesn't seem to be the agenda of the people who are in leadership to fix seems to be their agenda to further frustrate and aggravate the people.
I mean, when you have peace and you have decency and you have, you know, all institutions and systems functioning, you know, properly, they are their goal, sir.
And so I'm really angry about that because if we operate from that angle that you're talking about, this would truly be the paradise I was born into.
[01:18:40] Speaker E: You know what is scary, Mom?
[01:18:42] Speaker D: Before you go, you know, before you
[01:18:44] Speaker E: go, you know what?
[01:18:44] Speaker M: It's scary.
[01:18:46] Speaker D: Think about this for a moment. The Grand Bahama Port Authority is far from perfect. Far from, far from perfect. But look at what Freeport is today.
[01:18:58] Speaker E: Exactly how it is managed today.
Imagine therefore. Imagine therefore if you, if you get something worse than the ground by my Port Authority.
[01:19:09] Speaker M: And that's what they're getting.
[01:19:12] Speaker D: I don't know, but I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that
[01:19:16] Speaker M: I, you know, I'm afraid.
Thank you and thanks for calling. Afraid to see the direction this country is going in and it really, it, it. I'm, I'm very disenchanted and, and, and hurt and discouraged and disillusioned because every time you try to do something to move forward decently and accountably and fairly towards all ends, it seems like you,
[01:19:46] Speaker G: you, you, you are an alien.
[01:19:51] Speaker D: I appreciate you calling. Thanks a lot. Thanks. Free partying.
This text says speak truth to power of Argo. No one can dispute your assertions. And that's coming from a GR A very involved and connected grandma. I'm a person. This text is. Good afternoon, sir. How are you doing? Can you answer this question for me please? Is Kendall Knowledge still alive? Kendall Knowledge? You mean do you know as I know? Yes, as far as I'm aware. Yeah.
This text says good afternoon, Zhivago. What is the purpose of the ministry for Grandmama? No other island has such a ministry. With all of the outcry for Grand Bahamians the minister for Grand Bahama has very little to say. Also the fact that the PM's announcement is taking place at the shipyard and not at the ministry for Grandma says a lot.
Maybe the shipyard is. The shipyard was supposed to be doing another expansion.
So I don't know, maybe he's going to be announcing something in relation to that. But Grandma, the grandma ministry is doing what it does.
The minister for Grandma. I can tell you this much now you're getting behind me if you want.
Ginger Moxie is a very strong advocate for Grandma. I, I, I ain't asking nobody.
[01:21:11] Speaker E: She, she could only do so much.
[01:21:12] Speaker D: She's very strong advocate for Grandma. She, she, There might be some other things that you'd wanted to do or not do and so forth and so forth, but insofar as having been assigned the position she has been assigned, she does. And she is trying to advocate for.
[01:21:27] Speaker E: I don't put nothing on the ministry and the minister. This is on the Prime Minister and
[01:21:31] Speaker D: his government, head of the government.
[01:21:33] Speaker E: You see, you go on the Grandmama to make the announcement.
[01:21:36] Speaker D: The Prime Minister. He's the head of government. He said the buck stops with him.
So I am not getting down on nobody else.
This Texas line. The PM don't want to talk tonight about Oxford Greek agreement, the sunshine boys putting crap up his hair. Trust me, Lang, I know.
[01:21:53] Speaker E: Okay.
[01:21:55] Speaker D: Didn't the FM have a deal for the hotel in place that the PLP cancel it? Did it did this text says. I seem to recall Sebastian being public about establishing an international transshipment point. In fact, he spent $19 million to purchase a marketplace digital system to mirror Amazon in general. I see a pattern where the assets and resources of this country are being divided up men the exact same playbook from UVP BEC Gone the sun.
[01:22:24] Speaker G: Gone.
[01:22:26] Speaker D: The ocean.
[01:22:26] Speaker G: Gone.
[01:22:27] Speaker D: The clouds Gone. Systematic sell off of islands and ports. Oh boy, I can't be a mess with some of your. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to Z Live. I'm Chicago. I'm your host. We're gonna take our final break. When we come back, we wrap up our conversation. We'll be back after this break.
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[01:26:14] Speaker D: Welcome back. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to Z Live. I'm Shivar, your host. So glad you could join us.
This text says good day. They are shoring up absolute power in Grand Bahama to line up with the purchase of the Freeport power plant to shore up bottom line of their number one crony. This country can be so far ahead but God has a plan for all of them. I just hope I live to see it says that test.
The other day, the other day I said that we have to learn in government to put first things first.
[01:26:57] Speaker E: Okay?
[01:26:58] Speaker D: There are lots of people in Grand Bahama in need of employment.
There are lots of people in grandma in need of full employment.
There are lots of businesses in grandma in the Port Lucaya area, in the Lucaya area, in the downtown area and so forth.
[01:27:17] Speaker E: Struggling.
[01:27:21] Speaker D: The government of the Bahamas had a bird in the bush.
[01:27:26] Speaker E: The Grand Lucaya had a bird in the bush.
It signed a deal for the $800 million development of the Grand Lucaya area.
The owners of that airport, of that hotel, well, the supposed new owners of that hotel said, well, we can't really
[01:27:47] Speaker D: tell you a timeline for the development because we don't know what's happening with the airport.
[01:27:53] Speaker E: The government of the Bahamas told us
[01:27:55] Speaker D: they had secured $200 million for the redevelopment of the Grandmama airport.
[01:28:01] Speaker E: Birds in the hand not two weeks ago, not three Months ago, years ago.
Why would the government of the Bahamas not move heaven and earth to get those two birds in hand immediately boost the economic growth of Grand Bahama while it seeks to do these grand things about the Port Authority. Why does demonizing of the port when the birds in the government's hand are not moving?
Nobody stops the government from finding investments
[01:28:51] Speaker D: for East Grand Bahama, Invest Grand Bahama
[01:28:55] Speaker E: or for Freeport for that matter.
No one, no one stops the government from doing that.
But these things are secondary to.
Secondary to these other things. And I have to ask why an announcement by the Grand Bahama Shipyard, which is in.
[01:29:22] Speaker D: Is partially owned by the way, by msc. Remember that?
[01:29:26] Speaker E: By msc.
[01:29:27] Speaker D: Y' all remember that.
[01:29:28] Speaker E: Who's Embassy, Y' all remember MSC is. MSC was the one who told us
[01:29:31] Speaker D: a couple of weeks before election that
[01:29:33] Speaker E: they had just bought a piece of the piece of the.
[01:29:37] Speaker D: From the Concord Wilshire people because they
[01:29:39] Speaker E: were going to be doing a development.
Mind you, all of that still might be happening, you know, but, but, but, but, but, but. You have a word, a set of birds in hand.
What is happening? What is happening with them birds? Those birds were very active.
The Concord Wiltshire people sent us a press release out of the office of the Prime Minister.
MSC sent us a release. Everybody sent.
[01:30:17] Speaker D: Seems just curious to me how we are moving.
[01:30:25] Speaker E: Curious.
You know, I like to tell people, if you watch amateurs play basketball,
[01:30:38] Speaker D: like when.
[01:30:39] Speaker E: When you see it, it's not a pretty game.
[01:30:42] Speaker D: Anybody who plays basketball notice to be true.
[01:30:45] Speaker E: Actually any sport, if you see amateurs play the sport, it does not look pretty like when professionals play the sport, you know why Amateurs do not have a plan, do not have a system, do not have trained and skilled personnel.
So they really are erratically moving about the play field.
[01:31:09] Speaker D: Right?
[01:31:09] Speaker E: It's not their fault. It's just the reality of their circumstances.
When, when experts and professionals are on
[01:31:19] Speaker D: the field, they go there with a plan because the coach had a plan. They have evaluated the defense so they
[01:31:25] Speaker E: know how they need to play against that defense. They have offensive calls that they are calling so they know the movements they want on the field to maximize their outcomes. And so what you see is a pretty game.
You see a beautiful game, you see a game you can enjoy, even though you could enjoy the game of amateur plays and somebody in the end will win.
[01:31:50] Speaker D: What is true is that the amateurs, the professionals just produce a more beautiful game.
And that's what strategy does. That's what vision does.
[01:32:04] Speaker E: That's what skilled execution does.
It creates a more beautiful game. Not perfect, not one without mistakes.
But a more beautiful game with a
[01:32:16] Speaker D: better outcome, a better set of outcomes.
I suspect that we could benefit from
[01:32:26] Speaker E: maybe having ourselves have a more beautiful game.
Because the game we're seeing now, it doesn't look beautiful.
[01:32:37] Speaker D: It looks erratic, it looks disorganized.
It looks rigged in some ways.
[01:32:50] Speaker E: And it doesn't produce the results that people need.
Too many people need.
[01:32:58] Speaker D: And I think that's a problem for us. And I'm hoping to God, I'm hoping that we can fix it, correct it.
[01:33:08] Speaker E: And let me be clear with you all. I'm hoping we could fix it now. I'm talking about with this present administration.
I'm open.
And if the game gets beautiful, I'll call that game.
[01:33:20] Speaker D: I say listen well. Wow, what a beautiful game.
But I don't see a beautiful game today.
I don't.
But I'm hoping for one.
Even praying for what you're listening to. See live. You've been listening to Z live. I'm survival. I'm your host. God spares life. We'll be back with you again tomorrow. Have a wonderful, wonderful afternoon, old.
